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Despite the wishes of some, ectopic pregnancies were an exception because the SC, in its ruling on IVF embryos, had found that only pregnancies already implanted in the uterus were protected by the 8th. And I assume you know that an ectopic pregnancy is not in the uterus, right? So that doesn't prove what you think it proves. Yet again.
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Groan.
Wonderful, we weren’t as bad as those two countries. Do you ever think about what you’ve written. You think it’s GOOD we’re not as bad as El Salvador. That Irish women should consider themselvest that lucky.
It's a question of perspective. Repealers were implicitly creating the impression that Ireland under the 8th amendment was as bad as El Salvador and Nicaragua and other Latin American countries.
 

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No, the ruling also applied (implicitly or by extension), to all unimplanted embryos. That's also why the MAP was not banned.
Sure, why would the morning-after pill have been banned anyway? It's a contraceptive, not an abortion pill.
 

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This long ago stopped being a medical thread on cysts and is now split between your efforts to make it about abortion and your inability to understand deductive reasoning.
 

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And sometimes the women weren’t told why they couldn’t have treatment. Not that they were given a choice in the matter. Most pregnant women would actually chose to delay treatment. Because we actually want to do the best for our babies,
And what have you got to say about money that had originally been ring-fenced for the national maternity strategy being diverted for abortion? Mark and Róisín Molloy, whose son died at Portlaoise hospital, resigned from the steering group for the maternity strategy in protest at that change.

Karen McEvoy died of sepsis in Naas hospital on Christmas Day of 2018, a week after she gave birth at the Coombe.

Marie Downey and her son died at Cork University Hospital after she had an epileptic fit while she was breastfeeding him.

Now, do you think maternal safety is taken more seriously in the aftermath of Repeal?
 

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No, the ruling also applied (implicitly or by extension), to all unimplanted embryos.
The difference is that the IVF embryos in that court case had not been placed in the plaintiff's womb and so, unlike embryos created naturally in a woman's body, had no capacity to become children.
 

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The difference is that the IVF embryos in that court case had not been placed in the plaintiff's womb and so, unlike embryos created naturally in a woman's body, had no capacity to become children.
This is a distinction in your own mind. There's no difference in the nature of the embryo according to its location. Perhaps you haven't heard of an artificial uterus?


Sure, why would the morning-after pill have been banned anyway? It's a contraceptive, not an abortion pill.
Depends what you mean by conception.

If the MAP prevents the fertilised egg/embryo from implanting, how does that fit with your claim that the embryo deserves protection once it makes it into the uterus?
 
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As you said, surgery on an ectopic pregnancy doesn't involved abortion - but neither does a CT scan!
Look, it is quite clear that you haven't the first clue about the risks and potential complications surrounding pregnancy. My wife was pregnant three times and spent the last three months of two them bed bound. The other pregnancy didn't last long enough for other complications to arise. Your comment about migraines displays incredible levels of ignorance.

Women die in clinical settings while birthing.

Even in modern times.

Look up lists of prominent victorians. Many were married two, three, four times. Without ever having availed of a divorce. Nature provided the impulse for their need for a new wife. Pregnancy and childbirth are dangerous and risky endeavours.

We are duty bound to take all measures to mitigate those risks to women, including accepting (rather than allowing) their complete right to bodily autonomy and the concomitant right to make decisions about their body and their own physical being.

Anything less is to turn women into incubators.
 

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This is a distinction in your own mind. There's no difference in the nature of the embryo according to its location. Perhaps you haven't heard of an artificial uterus?


Depends what you mean by conception.

If the MAP prevents the fertilised egg/embryo from implanting, how does that fit with your claim that the embryo deserves protection once it makes it into the uterus?
The embryo doesn't start growing until it's implanted.
This is a distinction in your own mind. There's no difference in the nature of the embryo according to its location. Perhaps you haven't heard of an artificial uterus?
That's just experimental.
Depends what you mean by conception.

If the MAP prevents the fertilised egg/embryo from implanting, how does that fit with your claim that the embryo deserves protection once it makes it into the uterus?
If the embryo is not implanted then it can't grow and so it hasn't become a human being - it's just the potential to be a human being.
 

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The embryo doesn't start growing until it's implanted.
Sorry, what??

Of course it grows, except when it's frozen - but if you were frozen you wouldn't grow either!

It just can't (currently) grow beyond a very limited stage without the support that the uterus provides, so it dies. But as you can see, a fully functional artificial womb is not far off.

That's just experimental.
So? It hasn't been done in humans yet, but it could be. Would any resulting human be any less human or less alive for never having been implanted in a woman's uterus?

Clearly not, which shows that implantation is not the defining point at which the embryo becomes alive.

What it is though, is the point at which the woman becomes pregnant. Because that's what the 8th was all about, really - controlling women using pregnancy as a tool.

If the embryo is not implanted then it can't grow and so it hasn't become a human being - it's just the potential to be a human being.
Ah, so you think life doesn't begin at conception, then, but at implantation? That's just another arbitrary definition.

Which is fine except you want everyone else to be forced to accept your arbitrary definition by the law. But the people have said no. So unless you can make a better argument than just saying so, it's unlikely to convince anyone.
 

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Linus Pauling, the ONLY 2 time winner of the #NobelPrize Stated "Most #Cancer research is largely a fraud."
He was a huge proponent of Mega VitaminC doses, now being patented as treatment against #Coronavirus, called the Father of Molecular Biology among top 16 scientists ever. Alpha OmegaEnergy on Twitter
 

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Linus Pauling, the ONLY 2 time winner of the #NobelPrize Stated "Most #Cancer research is largely a fraud."
He was a huge proponent of Mega VitaminC doses, now being patented as treatment against #Coronavirus, called the Father of Molecular Biology among top 16 scientists ever. Alpha OmegaEnergy on Twitter
Linus Pauling's mental blockage about vitamin C (which only happened when he was in his late 60s, it's not like he ever actually did any experiments on the question himself)) is completely disproven and is really only evidence that even brilliant people can be taken in by quacks.

The Vitamin Myth: Why We Think We Need Supplements
 

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Linus Pauling, the ONLY 2 time winner of the #NobelPrize Stated "Most #Cancer research is largely a fraud."
He was a huge proponent of Mega VitaminC doses, now being patented as treatment against #Coronavirus, called the Father of Molecular Biology among top 16 scientists ever. Alpha OmegaEnergy on Twitter
The repetition of your stupid lie makes you look ever more foolish. Please continue as you are. It really is quite funny.
 

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The repetition of your stupid lie makes you look ever more foolish. Please continue as you are. It really is quite funny.
What stupid lie?

It's not my tweet btw.
 


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