Faith-based perspectives on the Civil Marriage Referendum

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A group drawn from people of faith from different traditions is arguing for the civil marriage referendum proposal.

The proposal is to add 17 words to Article 41 of the Constitution:

Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex
The proposal does not change the nature of marriage as entered into within a religious context. It only seeks to allow wider access to the status of civil marriage. Civil marriage is regulated by State law. Religious marriage is regulated by the religious body concerned.

Link: http://www.thejournal.ie/faith-in-marriage-equality-1940022-Feb2015/

"Speaking to TheJournal.ie, Dr Richard O’Leary said they intend to challenge views put across by conservative Christian organisations like the Iona Institute.

He added that they want to show that “people with faith can understand that marriage is based on the values of love and commitment."

The group is calling itself Faith in Marriage Equality

More: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ent-with-faiths-values-says-group-662321.html

They say this is "consistent with faith's values"

Not all people of faith share that analysis.

The Roman Catholic Bishops are opposed:

http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-marriage-bishops-1813682-Dec2014/

This is their statement:

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Meaning-of-Marriage-Web-English.pdf

It takes the Book of Genesis as its starting point, before concluding that marriage must be kept as a preserve of a man and a woman.

The Church of Ireland position is not to campaign for either viewpoint, recognising that the change would be confined to civil law.

http://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-marriage-church-of-ireland-1915416-Feb2015/
 
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Silvio Dante.

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Faith in what, exactly..?
 

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Why would a Mother give her Child up to be raised by two Sodomites?
Vulnerable women will be trafficked into Ireland to rent their wombs and sell their flesh and blood to Sodomites.
Thanks, never thought of that.
 

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Links or information on the position of other religious denominations welcome.
 

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Why would a Mother give her Child up to be raised by two Sodomites?
Vulnerable women will be trafficked into Ireland to rent their wombs and sell their flesh and blood to Sodomites.
Won't you please think of the lesbians?
 

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Thanks for these links.

I would also be interested to hear about the views of religious faiths which do not accept the principle of separation of Church and State.
In Ireland, the state adopted the institution of marriage from the church and now wants to own it exclusively, as well as changing it.

Why not give us separation of church and state, whereby the state can call its separate contract by a separate name?

The truth is that those campaigning for ssm want to keep the religious connotations of marriage.
 

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In Ireland, the state adopted the institution of marriage from the church and now wants to own it exclusively, as well as changing it.

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The Irish State continued the legislative arrangements in place at independence. It has since changed the State law on marriage several times. Those changes have not changed the nature of religious marriage.

They include allowing married persons to seek Court protection for themselves and other members of the family such as the right to live safely in the family home if faced with a dangerous spouse, allowing for separation against the wishes of the other spouse, providing a way of securing financial support from a parsimonious or cruel controlling spouse, and divorce.

There is no basis in reality for the claim that the State 'now wants to own it exclusively'. I'm not aware of any religious leader ever making that claim. It is absurd.
 

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Links or information on the position of other religious denominations welcome.
The Quakers have campaigned for marriage equality in the UK, arguing that banning same-sex marriage was an infringement of their religious liberties.
 

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You would have to ask them.

Meanwhile a popular bookmaker has a Yes at odds of 1/6, for ye of little faith.
That's come down a lot, it was 1/12 a few weeks ago - still not a good bet though.
 

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The Irish State continued the legislative arrangements in place at independence. It has since changed the State law on marriage several times. Those changes have not changed the nature of religious marriage.

They include allowing married persons to seek Court protection for themselves and other members of the family such as the right to live safely in the family home if faced with a dangerous spouse, allowing for separation against the wishes of the other spouse, providing a way of securing financial support from a parsimonious or cruel controlling spouse, and divorce.

There is no basis in reality for the claim that the State 'now wants to own it exclusively'. I'm not aware of any religious leader ever making that claim. It is absurd.
Until recently, church marriage and state marriage were basically one and the same - a union for life. The state version has now changed with divorce and is proposed to change further with the introduction of ssm. The state should therefore put clear water between itself and the religious meaning of marriage, instead of continuing with its farcical deception. The first step would be to stop calling it 'marriage'.

The state is happy to use agents of the churches to carry out the civil part of what it terms marriage and to use churches as registry offices. Many priests want nothing to do with civil registration and even risk legal penalties by agreeing to act as solemnisers. They view the civil ceremony as an unwanted imposition.

The state has taken the name of 'marriage' and now wants to break completely from the religious/heterosexual/for life aspect while keeping the name. If copyright law was involved I think I know who would win.
 
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