Fake Homeless News Continues Apace

galteeman

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/how-landlords-forced-40pc-of-newly-homeless-families-to-quit-36410261.html?utm_source=outbrain_top_drawer&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=Outbrain On Site

The article above is so biased and twists and conflates facts so much that it qualifies as fake news.
The title conveys a grossly misleading impression that landlords who lawfully give notice to quit are somehow responsible for tenants after they leave. The impression is that landlords are somehow to blame for former tenants situation after their relationship with the tenant is done.
Eileen Gleeson was clearly referring to rough sleepers when she mentioned 'years of bad behaviour'. She wasn't referring to people who moved out of rented properties and have difficulty finding new rental in their preferred location. Mentioning her in this context that is a low dirty trick.
 


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Mixing up the two problems doesn't help in the search for solutions, just helps with headline making.

Journalists worth the name should be highly prized, but 90% of them should be put out on their arse.
 

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Mixing up the two problems doesn't help in the search for solutions, just helps with headline making.

Journalists worth the name should be highly prized, but 90% of them should be put out on their arse.
Perfect for our government then...another excuse for not seeing the actual solution...build social homes.
 

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Perfect for our government then...another excuse for not seeing the actual solution...build social homes.
Build homes, tax vacant properties, restrict evict to renovate to structural repurposing of a building.

And grasp the "fair deal" vacant home issue. After 6 months, the tax (paid on sale after death) should be 50% of the passing rent for similar houses in areas with a housing supply crisis . Tax is waived if house sold within 6 months.

Might seem brutal and politically toxic, but there is no realistic alternative in many areas. The homes can't be insured if vacant..

If the homes are rented, then that is fine. No tax.
 

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The mistake in the article is the picture of rough sleepers.

The article itself is fair enough as it identifies the core reason
families are becoming homeless which is eviction from the
rental market.

Notice periods as low as 28 days dont help but the main problem
is theres no Security of Tenure in rental properties.
 

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/how-landlords-forced-40pc-of-newly-homeless-families-to-quit-36410261.html?utm_source=outbrain_top_drawer&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=Outbrain On Site

The article above is so biased and twists and conflates facts so much that it qualifies as fake news.
The title conveys a grossly misleading impression that landlords who lawfully give notice to quit are somehow responsible for tenants after they leave. The impression is that landlords are somehow to blame for former tenants situation after their relationship with the tenant is done.
Eileen Gleeson was clearly referring to rough sleepers when she mentioned 'years of bad behaviour'. She wasn't referring to people who moved out of rented properties and have difficulty finding new rental in their preferred location. Mentioning her in this context that is a low dirty trick.
Yes, Eileen Gleeson made a bad mistake there. The homeless-rough-sleepers are a very small group, and pretty much totally separate to the larger homelessness problem we are dealing with today. Anyone talking about "homeless people" needs to make very clear WHICH group of homeless people they are talking about, Eileen Gleeson messed up badly - she was talking about the rough sleepers, but didn't make this clear.
 

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Where will they get all these tradesmen and where will they be housed.

Will they work for minimum wage to keep the building costs down ?
 

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Where will they get all these tradesmen and where will they be housed.

Will they work for minimum wage to keep the building costs down ?
Same as last time, eastern Europe. They'll live in the houses the paddies will rent to them while they build the houses the paddies will need to rent to the migrants who will build the houses.....just like last time.:lol:
 

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Imagine the cheek of anyone claiming that landlords are to be blamed for deciding to raise their rents. People should question their betters.
 

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There is a difficult challenge with people who have multiple problems (e.g. mental health, addiction, low literacy, poor physical health, low concentration and so on) viz a viz how they are housed.

Their own families much less a landlord are not equipped to hold them. What's needed is a multi disciplinary approach including some kind of suitable housing model (individual rooms in a complex perhaps), treatment, health care , occupational therapy, psychotherapy, social care and security*.

The Government needs to take this one on and stop playing pass the parcel.

In this issue I don't hold private landlords directly responsible.

* security is a big issue in hostels and half way house accommodation.
 

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And I wonder what will happen when ECB starts to increase interest rates in late 2019.
Indeed it's one of the reasons why I think the euro was a bad idea, what is in Europe's monetary interests is not necessarily in some member states. I also have strong democratic suspicions to the notion of central bank independence.

That been one of the reasons why a hike would be so bad with regard to homeless policy is because of the government's ideological belief in a private led solution to the crisis.
 

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'Of the 180 notices to quit given by landlords, reasons were not provided by 114 families, but of those remaining, the bulk of reasons were spread between tenant rent arrears and plans for the property to be sold. Only two were listed for anti-social behaviour.

Imagine that, the bulk of reasons given by the families that were told quit were for not paying their rent or because the property owner wanted to sell it. I wonder of the 114 families that did not give reasons for being told to quit their tenancies how many were actually for not paying their rent, because the owner wanted to sell or for anti social behaviour?
I wonder were any of the landlords in financial difficulties because their tenants didn't pay the rent?
180 notices to quit a tenancy in Dublin is very little, I'm sure there were hundreds more notices to quit given to individuals and families that went and rented another property.
 

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'Of the 180 notices to quit given by landlords, reasons were not provided by 114 families, but of those remaining, the bulk of reasons were spread between tenant rent arrears and plans for the property to be sold. Only two were listed for anti-social behaviour.

Imagine that, the bulk of reasons given by the families that were told quit were for not paying their rent or because the property owner wanted to sell it. I wonder of the 114 families that did not give reasons for being told to quit their tenancies how many were actually for not paying their rent, because the owner wanted to sell or for anti social behaviour?
I wonder were any of the landlords in financial difficulties because their tenants didn't pay the rent?
180 notices to quit a tenancy in Dublin is very little, I'm sure there were hundreds more notices to quit given to individuals and families that went and rented another property.
Its only 180 notices from the 450 families that became homeless, not the total
number of notices given in Dublin.

The problem is there are no houses to rent in Dublin below 1500 euro and
no social houses built.
 

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Where will they get all these tradesmen and where will they be housed.

Will they work for minimum wage to keep the building costs down ?
The Portuguese workers building the M11 all live in Portakabin dormitories beside the N80/N11 Junction.
 

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Its only 180 notices from the 450 families that became homeless, not the total
number of notices given in Dublin.

The problem is there are no houses to rent in Dublin below 1500 euro and
no social houses built.
Yes, that is why a lot of people working in Dublin live outside the city and commute to work. Dublin Corporation is in competition for rental properties in the greater Dublin area with working people, driving up costs for them and for the state. I know of 3 one bed apartments in a nice part of town DCC are paying 1380 each for them per month. One person lives in each apartment. Were they rented by working people there would be at least two individuals perhaps three in each apartment.
 

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Build homes, tax vacant properties, restrict evict to renovate to structural repurposing of a building.

And grasp the "fair deal" vacant home issue. After 6 months, the tax (paid on sale after death) should be 50% of the passing rent for similar houses in areas with a housing supply crisis . Tax is waived if house sold within 6 months.

Might seem brutal and politically toxic, but there is no realistic alternative in many areas. The homes can't be insured if vacant..

If the homes are rented, then that is fine. No tax.
so nothing at all for landlords ?

and we wonder why so many are fleeing the market
 

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Imagine the cheek of anyone claiming that landlords are to be blamed for deciding to raise their rents. People should question their betters.
landlords have to make hay while the sun shines , if you get a delinquent tenant , it takes two years to get them out , the state ( and some politicans ) will defend these deadbeats all the way too via the utterly biased RTB and as for getting your money back when you do manage to get the bums out , forget it !
 


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