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Far Right to make gains in Euros - Establishment crying wolf again?


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Anti-immigrant and Europhobic ? far right parties ride populist wave | Politics | The Guardian

Anti-immigrant and Europhobic – far right parties ride populist wave

Interesting article by Ian Traynor re the potential gains for the extreme parties on the left and right across Europe due to the perfect storm of the economic crash added to a low turnout on polling day. There are some scary dudes out there.. none more so than this bunch from Hungary Jobbik.com - The Movement For A Better Hungary

I know similar claims are made at each euro election and at this stage the accusation that the "elites" (copyright of futuretaoiseach) are crying wolf yet again in order to stir up some interest. This time I fear they may have a point.

He also mentions a new caucus in the parliament being lead by the British Conservatives called funnily enough the European Conservatives.

The caucus will be to the right of the Christian Democrats.. will this as opposed to the ELDR, become the natural home for Fianna Fail?

In another Guardian article Henry McDonald is stating that Ireland is moving in the other direction:

Ireland set to say yes to Europe as change is in the air | World news | The Guardian

Ireland is going to buck political trends with a high turnout and the two mainstream opposition parties that support EU reform – Fine Gael and Labour – coming out on top.
But he would say that wouldn't he?
 
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Anti-immigrant and Europhobic ? far right parties ride populist wave | Politics | The Guardian

Anti-immigrant and Europhobic – far right parties ride populist wave

This time I fear they may have a point.
Ah yes the old "far right" label. Anyone who doesn't toe the line is labeled as some kind of nasty nazi type. In reality people like Gert Wilders are labeled far right as well as the BNP even though they are completely different policies. I hope the far right do spectacularly well, not because I like racists and xenophobes, but for the jolt it will give the stultifying cosy consensus in the EU. When people are ignored, belittled, sneered at and generally treated as sheep they will react.
 

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Historically, the Far Left killed even more people than the Far Right yet we don't see the elites hyperventilating at the prospect of them performing well or entering govt - unlike the hysterical hype surrounding the entry into govt of the Austrian Freedom Party in 2000. Totalitarianism should be equally disapproved of irrespective of whether it lies on the Left or Right of the political-spectrum. However, I reject the implication of that article that eurosceptics are uniformly 'Far Right', and I second Clanrickard's sentiments. Let's shock the elites into listening to public concerns with the EU's democratic-deficit.
 

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The elites are the old fogies who are the traditional ruling-classes of Europe.
 

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Hysteria about the "far right" has been floated so many times before i cant take it seriously. However this time there are some dangerous fringe groups like the BNP going to do well. Personally i blame the loyalty of the political classes to brussels over their own people that has caused extreme groups to get an audience.
 

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ah but lib dems and tory back the treaty too at the end of the day.
The Tories most certainly do not back the Treaty. They are promising a referendum on it in the UK if it hasn't come into force by the time they get into govt. Indeed, William Hague, their Shadow Foreign Secretary has suggested that even if it comes into force, they may put it to a referendum.
 

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The Tories most certainly do not back the Treaty. They are promising a referendum on it in the UK if it hasn't come into force by the time they get into govt. Indeed, William Hague, their Shadow Foreign Secretary has suggested that even if it comes into force, they may put it to a referendum.
hmm i bet they'd be delighted if it was fixed before they get in.
 

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Ah yes the old "far right" label. Anyone who doesn't toe the line is labeled as some kind of nasty nazi type. In reality people like Gert Wilders are labeled far right as well as the BNP even though they are completely different policies. I hope the far right do spectacularly well, not because I like racists and xenophobes, but for the jolt it will give the stultifying cosy consensus in the EU. When people are ignored, belittled, sneered at and generally treated as sheep they will react.
Well, actually the BNP is an interesting case, they rightly had a reputation as thugs but they have become highly sophisticated and mainstreamed of late. Now the big question is, whether Nick Griffin is genuinely trying to reform his party or is it mere window dressing. Either way, in the UK I think there is a case for folks to consider voting BNP, for the reason if the BNP get the odd one or two people elected to Westminister, as individual MPs have practically no power, so electing a BNP MP to Westminister will not bring in the Third Reich English style but it will send a shot across the bows of New Labour's Gordon Brown and the Conservatives' David Cameron, that their three in a bed arrangement with Miss Saudi Arabia, is starting to disgust the electorate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN6aboTJJ3g]YouTube - BNP - Jacqui Smith Demo[/ame]

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hmm i bet they'd be delighted if it was fixed before they get in.

yup.

LAB Here made noises about respecting the no vote and said there couldnt be another vote on it.

that didnt last long did it ?

and if memory serves sarko got elected on a platform of not putting the constituion to the people of france again. pity he didnt tell them he meant to enact the thing anyway after pulling a political stroke renaming it and removing nonsence about flags, anthems and mottos (which are fecking back anyway )

politicians SAY one thing alot, then have form of doing quite something else. its one of the reasons our lot are so shyte scared of ganly as he actually WILL do what he says in relation to it.
 

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..some 800,000 people are projected to vote BNP if the party continues its steady, menacing and (since 1987) unbroken advance. This time it is on the cusp of a breakthrough. All it needs is 8.5 per cent of the vote in the North West and Nick Griffin, its leader, will be on his way to Strasbourg as an MEP. If so, he will achieve what the National Front and the British Union of Fascists could only dream of: a legitimate seat in a legislature...Nine years ago it [the BNP] scored just 3,020 votes in England’s local elections. Last year its total was 235,000, giving the BNP 56 incumbent councillors.
The rise of British racism may be horribly close | The Spectator
Startling stuff and very disappointing if the BNP do get a sniff of power and respectability in the EP because they have some very harsh policies.

Re-read the quote again; "Nine years ago it [the BNP] scored just 3,020 votes in England’s local elections. Last year its total was 235,000.." What happened in those intervening nine years? 2.14 million immigrants settled in england happened (net migration, not total that migrated in so called 'circular migration'). The same pattern took place in Ireland, Italy, Norway, Denmark.

What I am worried about is some BNParty clone seizing on the anger over immigration in Ireland. Will Irish society really have to go through that sh1t or can the politicians not deal with the problem and get a grip on mass immigration now before this country gets into the state britain is obviously in?
 

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On the BNP: it's not that their voters are all or perhaps even mostly fascist. Rather, they are exasperated by 50 years of Political-Correctness during which their politicians - until recently - would not tolerate any question of multiculturalism. The results of multiculturalism include the Salman Rushdie controversy, radical Islamic terrorism including 7/7 and marches with the notorious "Behead Blair" placards, and cities segregated according to ethnicity. This is not compatible with an integrated society, and we seem to be repeating those mistakes in our own country. Except unlike the UK, as a small host society, we don't have a 50 year lead-in time to learn from our mistakes like they did. If we eventually see the rise of a BNP-style party in this country, then the mainstream Dail parties will only have themselves to blame for digging their heads, ostrich-like in the sand, and refusing to learn from the mistakes of Britain, France, Holland etc. - societies that were forced into taking a tougher line on immigration because of the rise of the Far Right and the problems multiculturalism brought. The playbook of multiculturalism has failed. A new policy is needed that will reconcile 2 objectives: Firstly, to integrate immigrant communities that are here to stay. Secondly, to limit the numbers coming in according to Ireland's absorption-capacity. I define "absorption capacity" as the numbers the Irish economy, society and public-services can cope with.
 

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On the BNP: it's not that their voters are all or perhaps even mostly fascist. Rather, they are exasperated by 50 years of Political-Correctness during which their politicians - until recently - would not tolerate any question of multiculturalism. The results of multiculturalism include the Salman Rushdie controversy, radical Islamic terrorism including 7/7 and marches with the notorious "Behead Blair" placards, and cities segregated according to ethnicity. This is not compatible with an integrated society, and we seem to be repeating those mistakes in our own country.
Yes FT the Spectator article mentions a british citizen who happens to be black describing the BNP as "not racist" and banging on about immigration. This is a real concern for the vast majority that UKIP emphasize in their third PEB, with a particular emphasis on EU immigration.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3yxs8A6xSE"]YouTube - PEB3[/ame]

Except unlike the UK, as a small host society, we don't have a 50 year lead-in time to learn from our mistakes like they did. If we eventually see the rise of a BNP-style party in this country, then the mainstream Dail parties will only have themselves to blame for digging their heads, ostrich-like in the sand, and refusing to learn from the mistakes of Britain, France, Holland etc. - societies that were forced into taking a tougher line on immigration because of the rise of the Far Right and the problems multiculturalism brought. The playbook of multiculturalism has failed. A new policy is needed that will reconcile 2 objectives: Firstly, to integrate immigrant communities that are here to stay. Secondly, to limit the numbers coming in according to Ireland's absorption-capacity. I define "absorption capacity" as the numbers the Irish economy, society and public-services can cope with.
Yes entirely agree but would add that longterm importation of people is no longterm solution, whats needed are family friendly policies that encourage natural population growth, similar to those promoted in France- while Irelands fertility rate is currently fine, its not wise to go the route of Germany and let it lapse into terminal decline.
 

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[video=youtube;EGMVLTqbHEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGMVLTqbHEs[/video]
 

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only saw the first 5 second. Muslim pedos off our streets.
I see no issue there
 

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[video=youtube;EGMVLTqbHEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGMVLTqbHEs[/video]
Always worth a repost after footage like this.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller
 

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Always worth a repost after footage like this.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller
who do you believe speaks for you, has your countries best interests at heart?
 

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Always worth a repost after footage like this.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller

That quote has always bugged me for the following reasons...

By the time it's heading in that direction i'm imagine we would already be at the start of another civil war with people in the Trade unions and elsewhere tooling up again as in post 1913 if the government were to start rounding people up........

Can't keep giving Nazi Germany and the German mentality to authority as barometer for every other country and situation....
 
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