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FAS - What industry qualifications, experience do the trainers have?


robut

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Hi Guys,

First out - I am not here looking to have a good old cut off of FAS /Solas course trainers - This is a genuine question that I have not heard asked much anywhere:

FAS - What industry qualifications, experience do the trainers have? Do they need to have such qualifications?

( Because it is an area I know of I will concentrate on IT / Software Dev as focus for this question but feel free to comment using any other field also )

At the fas site it does not outline such detail. In the past I have learned alot of 3D design applications & techniques via paid for online Video based training courses/mentoring. All these sites detail the industry experience of the trainer in the video. In alot of cases they are already well regarded people in the industry.

eg http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/

Here are some of the courses that prompted me to ask this question:

Introduction to C++ Programming

JAVA ASSOCIATE DEVELOPER SE7 - Online

Mobile Technology - Android

Recently I was told by a guy who was a sales man, lost job, on dole for a year then they popped him on a Java Course. He is in his mid/late 40's, lousy at maths in school. He mentioned that this was the kind of course they were now sending people on.

Question is can we take 400,000 people + and pop them on Java, C++, Android, Iphone dev courses - spit them out after a year and expect them to get gainfully employed in a field that requires alot more experience than this and maybe foreign languages to boot?

Back to the trainers - how much industry experience do they have? Will courses like this create coding teams and actually develop apps & software? Are they project based? OR are they "turn to chapter 4 ... off you go on the PC in front of you"?

As a general thought I do not believe coding / software dev is for everyone, it takes a mind set and can take quiet a few years to actually get usefully good at it. A years FAS course will not hack it? Most dev companies NEED/WANT the employee to hit the ground running

BUT our government seems intent on pinning all our hopes on this Software Dev thing. I cannot help but feel a little scared that they have lost interest in the 450k on the dole and are more interested in the next batch coming up though College PLUS plugging the gaps with foreign workers
 
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popular1

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I think it helps if you are connected to a politician or in some way linked to the local powerbrokers as far as i can see, certainly in the building and trades area of it. Thats seems to be the main qualifcation
 

Niall Power

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Why would someone GOOD! enough to TEACH Java or C++ work for Fas when they could earn €80k+ in the real world????
 
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xt40

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I spent a couple of days teaching an excel course to a group of fas "IT Trainers " maybe 10 or so years ago. Most of them were ex woodwork or or something else teachers whose course was surplus to requirements/discontinued. As they were permanent, they were moved over into IT . Some barely knew how to use a mouse.
 

robut

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Buddy of mine was on a Multimedia course in FAS about 3 years ago. Instructor came in most days, opened book at a chapter and said right lads off you go. Then he sat back for class reading papers.

My buddy said he got taught for the whole course by a few tech savvy Polish in the same class.
 

Stroke

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I think you had to be a member/strong supporter of Fianna Fáil in the Good Old Days, not sure what the criteria now.
 

robut

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If its ones political allegiance that gives one the trainers job in FAS, whats the point in such an organisation so? Has the gov learned anything?

This copper fastens my earlier point - the Gov have lost interest / gave up on the 450k on the dole? Hope is they all emigrate?
 

wombat

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Not too hopeful of the promised changes. Nothing political, the entrenched leadership in the training industry have very set views on how the job should be done and are not open to change. Personally aware of local boy made good, involved in training overseas who was ignored by powers that be when introduced. Shall we say that he's better regarded in Beijing than Dublin
 

kellboy

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If its ones political allegiance that gives one the trainers job in FAS, whats the point in such an organisation so? Has the gov learned anything?

This copper fastens my earlier point - the Gov have lost interest / gave up on the 450k on the dole? Hope is they all emigrate?
Problem is it's backfiring like hell... the longterm unemployed now haven't the money left to leave



Business IT Grad mate of mine just turned down a 36.5k/yr job with a multinational in dublin because he's off to auz (with nothing lined up) in jan. In his words "i'm not sticking round here to pay off the banks"

another who was trucking on really good money left mid summer.

it was taxpaying single 22-35yr olds leaving.... now it's them and working families
 

asknoquestions

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I'd suggest the 'powers that be' don't really know what direction to move in. Most of the jobs that are created by multinationals require language skills, so they're just going to import their workforce anyway. I think FAS should be getting people up to speed with enough language skills to work in call centres but that doesn't seem to be happening.

In the 90s FAS courses were more relevant with courses targeted for pharma and electronics companies that were coming in at the time, plus the construction industry but since most manufacturing has gone east and construction has gone to hell, FAS doesn't really know what it should be doing.
 

damus

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For FETAC you generally need to have completed a train the trainer course and that was for teaching FETAC level 5. Apparently having a level 9 qualification, third level tutoring experience together with relevant experience in the area that you'd be lecturing in isn't good enough for good owl FAS.
 

Kitty O'Shea

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There is a tender looking for suitably qualified teachers for FAS/Solas on the e-tender website, if anyone is interested.
BTW, a friend did the java course and was on some telecommunications course in FAS/Solas and he got a full-time job out of it, didn't even have to finished the course.
 

cricket

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I think you had to be a member/strong supporter of Fianna Fáil in the Good Old Days, not sure what the criteria now.
That was definitely the case in the 80's. I knew a few who worked in places like Fords or Dunlops until those places closed and were promised tutor jobs if they joined the party. They did of course, some succeeded quite well, others were a disaster, but still kept on. In fairness, I think the whole thing was overhauled over 10 years ago.
 
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