Fear of immigration driven by lack of education says TD

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In an interview posted on YouTube a well known TD linked the fear of immigration in Ireland to a lack of education and poverty. This TD used the analogy of a child waking up in the night with a nightmare, and said you can't rationalize with a child and say the monster does not exist.... So those who fear immigration are uneducated, poor and irrational children - good synopsis :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V1N-Q1z6Fc&feature=related
 


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He made perfect sense to me anyway.

BTW he didn't say it was driven by 'lack of education' .

It's a pity RQ doesn't come out in public and say all this though. :?

Even more that he has ignored it for so long esp when he was at helm in the Labour Party... :oops:

He should have been raising people's concerns years ago!

Just to clarify one point though - Ireland's natural increase in population is not in decline!
 

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Catalpa said:
He made perfect sense to me anyway.

BTW he didn't say it was driven by 'lack of education' .

It's a pity RQ doesn't come out in public and say all this though. :?

Even more that he has ignored it for so long esp when he was at helm in the Labour Party... :oops:

He should have been raising people's concerns years ago!

Just to clarify one point though - Ireland's natural increase in population is not in decline!
Oh but he did Catalpa, midway through the recording, listen again. He said 'there is a sense of fear among some Irish people, particularly among those who are not as well educated...
 

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No. It is driven by the burden on our health and education systems and job displacement. There are benefits and disadvantages to immigration, so let's not be PC about it. During a recession we need tighter controls to protect Irish jobs. Charity begins at home. And remember this - criticising immigration - a process - is not the same as attacking immigrants. It is the failed govt policies that are at issue, including foisting the failed ideology of multiculturalism (as seen in France and the UK) on Ireland.
 

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Mujaahid said:
Catalpa said:
He made perfect sense to me anyway.

BTW he didn't say it was driven by 'lack of education' .

It's a pity RQ doesn't come out in public and say all this though. :?

Even more that he has ignored it for so long esp when he was at helm in the Labour Party... :oops:

He should have been raising people's concerns years ago!

Just to clarify one point though - Ireland's natural increase in population is not in decline!
Oh but he did Catalpa, midway through the recording, listen again. He said 'there is a sense of fear among some Irish people, particularly among those who are not as well educated...
True - but that is not what your headline quoted! ;)

Finally we have a senior political figure here (and ex Cabinet Minister) acknowledging what is everyday vox pop at this stage! :roll:

Better late than never I suppose! :?

Welcome aboard Ruari! :cool:
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
No. It is driven by the burden on our health and education systems and job displacement. There are benefits and disadvantages to immigration, so let's not be PC about it. During a recession we need tighter controls to protect Irish jobs. Charity begins at home. And remember this - criticising immigration - a process - is not the same as attacking immigrants. It is the failed govt policies that are at issue, including foisting the failed ideology of multiculturalism (as seen in France and the UK) on Ireland.
FT - multiculturalism was not and is not a failed ideology, that's BNP talk man. There are however inadequacies in the application and for many multiculturalism was simply saris and curries. There was no attempt to integrate immigrants, it was tokenism - that was the failure. Ireland will show its commitment to multicultural integration when the Dail has a multiplicity of colours, cultures and creeds - all working together to shape new Ireland.
 

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True - but that is not what your headline quoted! ;)
It's called literary license
Finally we have a senior political figure here (and ex Cabinet Minister) acknowledging what is everyday vox pop at this stage! :roll:
Yes, that the anti-immigration lobby are uneducated, poverty stricken children who believe in monsters .. :roll:

Welcome aboard Ruari! :cool:
With friends like that.... :shock:
 

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Mujaahid said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
No. It is driven by the burden on our health and education systems and job displacement. There are benefits and disadvantages to immigration, so let's not be PC about it. During a recession we need tighter controls to protect Irish jobs. Charity begins at home. And remember this - criticising immigration - a process - is not the same as attacking immigrants. It is the failed govt policies that are at issue, including foisting the failed ideology of multiculturalism (as seen in France and the UK) on Ireland.
FT - multiculturalism was not and is not a failed ideology, that's BNP talk man. There are however inadequacies in the application and for many multiculturalism was simply saris and curries. There was no attempt to integrate immigrants, it was tokenism - that was the failure. Ireland will show its commitment to multicultural integration when the Dail has a multiplicity of colours, cultures and creeds - all working together to shape new Ireland.
It is not the preserve of the BNP. A number of Irish politicians have questioned multiculturalism, as seen in a Labour politician calling for the banning of the hijab in schools, and others including in FF like Chris Andrews following the no to Lisbon has spoken of the disadvantages of diversity in the Dail recently.
 
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Mujaahid said:
In an interview posted on YouTube a well known TD linked the fear of immigration in Ireland to a lack of education and poverty. This TD used the analogy of a child waking up in the night with a nightmare, and said you can't rationalize with a child and say the monster does not exist.... So those who fear immigration are uneducated, poor and irrational children - good synopsis :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V1N-Q1z6Fc&feature=related


Nor can you rationalise with those who psychologically regress and are denial of the rational but rather embrace 6th century superstition.
 

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It is not the preserve of the BNP.
I wasn't suggesting it was - it is according to the TD the preserve of the ignorant and infantile who see monsters in every corner.
A number of Irish politicians have questioned multiculturalism, as seen in a Labour politician calling for the banning of the hijab in schools, and others including in FF like Chris Andrews following the no to Lisbon has spoken of the disadvantages of diversity in the Dail recently.
There you go, uneducated and infantile :D
 

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Mujaahid said:
True - but that is not what your headline quoted! ;)
It's called literary license
[quote:2tzkwtxa]
Finally we have a senior political figure here (and ex Cabinet Minister) acknowledging what is everyday vox pop at this stage! :roll:
Yes, that the anti-immigration lobby are uneducated, poverty stricken children who believe in monsters .. :roll:

Welcome aboard Ruari! :cool:
With friends like that.... :shock:[/quote:2tzkwtxa]

When Catalpa's your friend u got a real friend Mujaahid.... ;)
 

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Kalif said:
Mujaahid said:
In an interview posted on YouTube a well known TD linked the fear of immigration in Ireland to a lack of education and poverty. This TD used the analogy of a child waking up in the night with a nightmare, and said you can't rationalize with a child and say the monster does not exist.... So those who fear immigration are uneducated, poor and irrational children - good synopsis :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V1N-Q1z6Fc&feature=related
Nor can you rationalise with those who psychologically regress and are denial of the rational but rather embrace 6th century superstition.
That would of course take some intellect, which of course precludes you! Don't you have some poor Iraqi kid to abuse Brit...
 

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Mujaahid said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
No. It is driven by the burden on our health and education systems and job displacement. There are benefits and disadvantages to immigration, so let's not be PC about it. During a recession we need tighter controls to protect Irish jobs. Charity begins at home. And remember this - criticising immigration - a process - is not the same as attacking immigrants. It is the failed govt policies that are at issue, including foisting the failed ideology of multiculturalism (as seen in France and the UK) on Ireland.
FT - multiculturalism was not and is not a failed ideology, that's BNP talk man. There are however inadequacies in the application and for many multiculturalism was simply saris and curries. There was no attempt to integrate immigrants, it was tokenism - that was the failure. Ireland will show its commitment to multicultural integration when the Dail has a multiplicity of colours, cultures and creeds - all working together to shape new Ireland.
And which minorities in particular would you'd be thinking of Muj. Let me guess it's the Poles isn't it. Or the Chinese no?. No no It's the Czechs isn't it they got fine some looking lassies. Who could possibly guess who in particular your'e thinking of. Come on the suspense is killing us
 
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Mujaahid said:
Kalif said:
Mujaahid said:
In an interview posted on YouTube a well known TD linked the fear of immigration in Ireland to a lack of education and poverty. This TD used the analogy of a child waking up in the night with a nightmare, and said you can't rationalize with a child and say the monster does not exist.... So those who fear immigration are uneducated, poor and irrational children - good synopsis :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V1N-Q1z6Fc&feature=related
Nor can you rationalise with those who psychologically regress and are denial of the rational but rather embrace 6th century superstition.
That would of course take some intellect, which of course precludes you! Don't you have some poor Iraqi kid to abuse Brit...


Yes, embracing supersition makes you so intelligent. Brit ? Are you trying to gain favour with the republicans on here or something ? under the bedclothes you wear is a man who embraces superstion because you cant handle the chaos and uncertainty of the modern world.......pussy.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
It is not the preserve of the BNP. A number of Irish politicians have questioned multiculturalism, as seen in a Labour politician calling for the banning of the hijab in schools, and others including in FF like Chris Andrews following the no to Lisbon has spoken of the disadvantages of diversity in the Dail recently.
Funny. If you look at countries ranked in terms of human development, political stability, economic success, quality of life, health, political freedom and a huge raft of other criteria (as assessed by PC goons like the Economist and Mercer's) multi-ethnic societies are the top scorers on just about every list. If multiculturalism is a failed philosophy how come Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden etc are thriving? Do you not think it's right to characterise Britain and France as failed societies? Is that a fair assessment of life for the vast, vast majority of people in these countries? And do you not think it's massively over-simplifying things to say that the problems they've experienced have one cause: multi-culturalism?
 

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Kalif said:
Mujaahid said:
Kalif said:
Mujaahid said:
In an interview posted on YouTube a well known TD linked the fear of immigration in Ireland to a lack of education and poverty. This TD used the analogy of a child waking up in the night with a nightmare, and said you can't rationalize with a child and say the monster does not exist.... So those who fear immigration are uneducated, poor and irrational children - good synopsis :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3V1N-Q1z6Fc&feature=related
Nor can you rationalise with those who psychologically regress and are denial of the rational but rather embrace 6th century superstition.
That would of course take some intellect, which of course precludes you! Don't you have some poor Iraqi kid to abuse Brit...


Yes, embracing supersition makes you so intelligent. Brit ? Are you trying to gain favour with the republicans on here or something ? under the bedclothes you wear is a man who embraces superstion because you cant handle the chaos and uncertainty of the modern world.......pussy.
Oh please :roll: , says the Brit whose pals get off abusing young Iraqi boys - yep that's really coping with chaos, bloody pervert.
 

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gnash1970 said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
It is not the preserve of the BNP. A number of Irish politicians have questioned multiculturalism, as seen in a Labour politician calling for the banning of the hijab in schools, and others including in FF like Chris Andrews following the no to Lisbon has spoken of the disadvantages of diversity in the Dail recently.
Funny. If you look at countries ranked in terms of human development, political stability, economic success, quality of life, health, political freedom and a huge raft of other criteria (as assessed by PC goons like the Economist and Mercer's) multi-ethnic societies are the top scorers on just about every list. If multiculturalism is a failed philosophy how come Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden etc are thriving? Do you not think it's right to characterise Britain and France as failed societies? Is that a fair assessment of life for the vast, vast majority of people in these countries? And do you not think it's massively over-simplifying things to say that the problems they've experienced have one cause: multi-culturalism?
Good point gnash!
 

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gnash1970 said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
It is not the preserve of the BNP. A number of Irish politicians have questioned multiculturalism, as seen in a Labour politician calling for the banning of the hijab in schools, and others including in FF like Chris Andrews following the no to Lisbon has spoken of the disadvantages of diversity in the Dail recently.
Funny. If you look at countries ranked in terms of human development, political stability, economic success, quality of life, health, political freedom and a huge raft of other criteria (as assessed by PC goons like the Economist and Mercer's) multi-ethnic societies are the top scorers on just about every list. If multiculturalism is a failed philosophy how come Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden etc are thriving? Do you not think it's right to characterise Britain and France as failed societies? Is that a fair assessment of life for the vast, vast majority of people in these countries? And do you not think it's massively over-simplifying things to say that the problems they've experienced have one cause: multi-culturalism?

"If multiculturalism is a failed philosophy how come Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden etc are thriving? "

It's the fact that these countries, and Britain and France, are thriving liberal countries which make them a target for the third world's illegal immigrants, criminals and chancers.

Their liberal prosperity continues despite the immigrant dross (for the moment).

Japan is a thriving country but would give third world migrants short shrift so none go there.
 

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I would say it is related to your economic situation, rather than your educational background, but I suppose the two are nearly always related.

If you are from a less well off background, recent immigration has resulted in competition for entry level jobs, social housing and has transfromed the areas you may live in, radically altered the make-up of the (often community) schools your own children probably attend.

The closest a member of the comfortable classes comes to immigration or "multi-culturalism" as they'd no doubt prefer to call it, is when they order a Chinesse on a Saturday night.
 

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Stíofán said:
I would say it is related to your economic situation, rather than your educational background, but I suppose the two are nearly always related.

If you are from a less well off background, recent immigration has resulted in competition for entry level jobs, social housing and has transfromed the areas you may live in, radically altered the make-up of the (often community) schools your own children probably attend.

The closest a member of the comfortable classes comes to immigration or "multi-culturalism" as they'd no doubt prefer to call it, is when they order a Chinesse on a Saturday night.
Immigration effect on:

Working class: Intolerable pressure on jobs, schooling, housing, healthcare, infrastructure, increased crime, dangerous estates infested by gangs.

Wealthy classes: cheaper labour, private schooling, private healthcare, no job competition, comfortable housing in low crime areas.
 


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