Fear of immigration driven by lack of education says TD

louis bernard

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“We'd have approx 81 million people from the US flooding us out if the Yanks decided to expell all Irish.......
I know it sounds ridiculous, but having so many Irish Americans over here would be unbearable.”

That’s nonsense and you know it. But all illegal Irish should be rounded up and deported.
 


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louis bernard said:
Mujaahid said:
[quote="louis bernard":27lleox9]Immigrants from outside the EU should be few and then confined to specialist disciplines. Under no circumstances should we take in any unskilled immigrants from outside the EU. We have more than enough of our own.
If every country took that stance, Ireland would be inundated with unskilled Irish expelled from every country they now benefit from - do you know how many Irish claim welfare benefits in the UK? Be careful what you wish for.
Both Ireland and the UK are part of the EU. Irish citizens are entitled to claim social welfare in the UK, and visa versa. We do not need nor want unskilled people from outside the EU in Ireland. How countries outside the EU manage their immigration policies is their business. (On a personal note, I think the US government should deport all illegal Irish.) And of course, all illegals in this country should be deported as a matter of urgency, and our border controls tightened up to ensure we get no more of them.[/quote:27lleox9]

Well said indeed and your motion is seconded. :lol:

But insofar they come through our immigration check they're welcome to our country otherwise they should all be deported back home, it's also a common pratise that any legal migrant on their ways to citizenship has the right to claim benefit but our focus should centred around the people claiming welfare for the children that does not exist in their country. :roll:

Furthermore, whether immigrant make their ways through the channel tunnels from france to ireland or britain i presume once they've established legal status without any offence against the state act against them they're untouchable by law, so after astablishing their legality, the state can not come with ''**** and bull'' story and O'BRIEN V PARKER sort of defence against their status which does apply to irish citizen in the united state a like. :shock2:

Because in that case of o'brien v parker, it's centred around a civil case instituted by parker against o'brien in a road traffic accident and as at that time o'brien doctor did not confirm it under the immigration act that o'brien should pay compensation to parker or not because it's isn't confirm as at the time of the incident that o'brien has a deases outside or inside his body called hyperglychymia which was struck down as indamissible because it's insn't available by a certified doctor rather than desired doctor, so compensation was aproved to parker. :lol:

:D
 

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Catalpa said:
In my opinion, only language (or racism) bars them from becoming very productive members of Irish society

What bars them is the fact that the bulk of them have overstayed their time here - they agreed to come here on limited time visas and have broken the terms and conditions of their entry.

Sure they might be good workers and don't moan and groan like some others who are here now, but if they find themselves in a legal limboland its they themselves who did it not us.

BTW There is no point criticising Irish illegals in the USA and saying we should be any less strict here.

A Solution:

We should do what the Australians did with the young Irish who headed over there and overstayed their welcome.

They basically resolved this by granting first one year then two year work visas quite easily - once your time was up woe betide those that didn't leave - summary deportation if caught!

Now it’s rare to hear of Irish illegals over there.

Do the same for the Chinese (mostly young people) in Ireland - if its good enough for our own Down Under then its good enough for others coming Over Here.
I don’t think comparing Irish people emigrating to Australia is quiet the same as comparing Chinese emigrating to Ireland. A sizable portion of Australians are of Irish stock and of course Australia was settled initially mostly by people from these islands. Emigrants from here to Australia tend to fit in seamlessly. Chinese are very different to us culturally, racially and linguistically.
 

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stopthetrain said:
louis bernard said:
Mujaahid said:
[quote="louis bernard":eek:hdkupxl]Immigrants from outside the EU should be few and then confined to specialist disciplines. Under no circumstances should we take in any unskilled immigrants from outside the EU. We have more than enough of our own.
If every country took that stance, Ireland would be inundated with unskilled Irish expelled from every country they now benefit from - do you know how many Irish claim welfare benefits in the UK? Be careful what you wish for.
Both Ireland and the UK are part of the EU. Irish citizens are entitled to claim social welfare in the UK, and visa versa. We do not need nor want unskilled people from outside the EU in Ireland. How countries outside the EU manage their immigration policies is their business. (On a personal note, I think the US government should deport all illegal Irish.) And of course, all illegals in this country should be deported as a matter of urgency, and our border controls tightened up to ensure we get no more of them.
Well said indeed and your motion is seconded. :lol:

But insofar they come through our immigration check they're welcome to our country otherwise they should all be deported back home, it's also a common pratise that any legal migrant on their ways to citizenship has the right to claim benefit but our focus should centred around the people claiming welfare for the children that does not exist in their country. :roll:

Furthermore, whether immigrant make their ways through the channel tunnels from france to ireland or britain i presume once they've established legal status without any offence against the state act against them they're untouchable by law, so after astablishing their legality, the state can not come with ''**** and bull'' story and O'BRIEN V PARKER sort of defence against their status which does apply to irish citizen in the united state a like. :shock2:

Because in that case of o'brien v parker, it's centred around a civil case instituted by parker against o'brien in a road traffic accident and as at that time o'brien doctor did not confirm it under the immigration act that o'brien should pay compensation to parker or not because it's isn't confirm as at the time of the incident that o'brien has a deases outside or inside his body called hyperglychymia which was struck down as indamissible because it's insn't available by a certified doctor rather than desired doctor, so compensation was aproved to parker. :lol:

:D[/quote:eek:hdkupxl]

Having said all that, i think chinese that are illegal are usually treated better than all other immigrant in the state despite the confirmity of it by the surgery in burgh quay they still pretend as if they're legal than anybody else. ;)

I dont tell lies but just because i eat free chinese food all the time as a food safety inspector does give me the right to cover up, no. :roll:
 

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Calling people that disagree with you uneducated is not exactly grade one political argument.Has he done academic tests on his opponents and checked their qualifications?
 

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“Oh yes, you're soooooo right!
The first Irish immigrants, to Australia, were culturally, racially and linguistically akin to the Aborigines.

They also fitted in very well with the Apache, Navajo, Cheyenne, Crows, Mikosukee, Mohican etc

Don't forget how well we fitted in with the Maori, the Bantu, Wakamba, Zulu etc”

We never fitted in with any of the above, we just displaced them. Or in the case of the Native Americans, killed a lot of them. Quiet a lot of Irishmen were in the US cavalry.
 

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gnash1970 said:
Eddie Collins said:
Immigration effect on:

Working class: Intolerable pressure on jobs, schooling, housing, healthcare, infrastructure, increased crime, dangerous estates infested by gangs.

Wealthy classes: cheaper labour, private schooling, private healthcare, no job competition, comfortable housing in low crime areas.
Do you know of a single "dangerous estate infested by gangs" in Ireland whose population is mostly immigrant?
Not yet - but there are many in England, and Ireland will have the same if it continues to follow England's path of uncontrolled mass immigration.
 

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blinding said:
Calling people that disagree with you uneducated is not exactly grade one political argument.Has he done academic tests on his opponents and checked their qualifications?
The fact of the matter about education is tranparencies and the ability to put what you learn and qualifies for in display into practise than economic blockade and all the rest of the sort.

What i noticed in my educational life is most people just learn how to steal and get high grade but lack practicalities.

An example is of a solicitor that got taken to court for speeding and he defended herself by telling the judge that she did not recieved the on the spot fine what do you call that ?

They lack the ability to practicalise their professions by stating the defect on the isuances of the said speed fines and the traffic corps that fail to follow those stated rules as a solicitor it has got to be proven even if our system is different from other country which will undermined our reputations to lie to the judge that we did not recieved an on the spot fines, funny!!! :p :mrgreen:
 

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Are you still posting here mugu? How the 419 emails coming?
What are you writing about Mugu and whatever 419 youre on about, what does that mean ?
 

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stopthetrain said:
blinding said:
Calling people that disagree with you uneducated is not exactly grade one political argument.Has he done academic tests on his opponents and checked their qualifications?
The fact of the matter about education is tranparencies and the ability to put what you learn and qualifies for in display into practise than economic blockade and all the rest of the sort.

What i noticed in my educational life is most people just learn how to steal and get high grade but lack practicalities.

An example is of a solicitor that got taken to court for speeding and he defended herself by telling the judge that she did not recieved the on the spot fine what do you call that ?

They lack the ability to practicalise their professions by stating the defect on the isuances of the said speed fines and the traffic corps that fail to follow those stated rules as a solicitor it has got to be proven even if our system is different from other country which will undermined our reputations to lie to the judge that we did not recieved an on the spot fines, funny!!! :p :mrgreen:
You took the words out of my mouth !
 

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Are you still posting here mugu?

Yeh, he is now on about peoples "fear" of immigration as opposed to peoples well founded concerns about mass immigration. His typical deceitful language aimed at having yet more of his new found bearded accomplices running round the place with bizarre belief systems and silly hats demanding "their rights".
 

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Twin Towers said:
TheFink said:
Are you still posting here mugu?

Yeh, he is now on about peoples "fear" of immigration as opposed to peoples well founded concerns about mass immigration. His typical deceitful language aimed at having yet more of his new found bearded accomplices running round the place with bizarre belief systems and silly hats demanding "their rights".
Like 99.9% of his colleagues in Dail Eireann, TT ,he has little understanding of the famous quote, from Edmund Burke, when he said---People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their Ancestors!

Is Mise
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To go from 0% - 10% or 15% of total population in 10 years is excessive.
What country done that?
The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Chile, Argentina....every country in South America, Goa, all the islands of the Carribean, Mexico, Iceland, Mauritius, Israel, Tibet.....and the others I've left out...
 

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I fail to see how expelling people who have found steady jobs and wish to stay is a good idea.
Keeping them and some legal naturalisation would be more effective, mainly because the party involved would want it.
If this is your attitude, why bother having borders at all ?

Why should we reward people who are here illegally ? All you will do is encourage others.

We do not need unskilled labour from the 3rd world, end of. We will get more than enough from other EU states. As regards those from outside the EU, we need to instigate a points system based on skillset.
 

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The USA, Canada, Australia
The USA was taken from the native indians. Huge numbers of settlers were needed to colonise the place. Australia, Canada, New Zealand ditto.

Love the way people constantly bring up the US as if there was a valid comparison.

every country in South America, Goa, all the islands of the Carribean, Mexico
These are some other models we should be aspiring to ? Banana republics ?

We are a settled European country. We don't need that many people. There is no colonisation to be done.
 

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Bobb, are the countries jetttxyz mentioned the countries you were talking about that went from "0% - 10% or 15% of total population in 10 years"?
 


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