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Feeney/CPI/Connolly

stanley

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Feeney pulled out of CPI over Connolly row - Times Online


This article from the Sunday Times leaves little doubt but Bertie was determined to stop the CPI and met with Feeney to give the Leinster House view, how could anyone believe Bertie.

McDowell was complicit with Bertie but little doubt he did not want anyone sniffing around him and his cronies, it still goes on, Connolly may get his head one of these days.

Bertie took some risk talking to Feeney direct after all he has put hundreds of millions into Irl, practically financed UL on his own, Bertie risked all this investment his Govt should have been making to put the boot into Connolly and try to keep him at distance.

When Mahon reports all the rats will be well away from the sinking ship and Bertie will be totally naked, Connolly will feast on the cadaver with the relish of the patient.
 


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I hope so, but these rabid dogs still have a few broken teeth, and they will still use them to keep their dirty secrets out of view.
 

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The role of this guy Feeney has never been questioned by our lazy media.

A multi-millionaire pumping money into projects he favours in a foreign country? If Ireland had any self-respect we'd tell him to go to hell.

A lot of his money goes to promote the Mass Immigration agenda, with funding going to such outfits as the Immigrant Council of Ireland. That permits such mosquito groups to acquire a much higher profile than is warranted by their numbers or their support in the community.
 

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sam smyth was covering this in his Sunday supplement show and great comedy it was too.

the vilivication of connoly is still on going there despite the track record of bertie and macdowel four years down the line.

if ive got to pick between a guy who structures inquiries that prevent gardai being asked the question "did you murder that kid in the cell?" and spent 30 MILLION on a field in the middle of nowhere WELL above the market rate at a BOOM time who was in cahoots with some other bloke who swears blind he got all his dosh on the horses whilst never having a bank account, whoops - turns out i got SIXTEEN - and a journalist who despite being pilloried left right and center by these blokes but broke some of the most significant stories and political scandals this country has ever seen (though having to do it in FOREIGN media)

i know who ILL throw the benefit of the doubt.

the only real concern i have over this affair is what could we have found out if the CPI was actually ALLOWED to fulfill its remit and would we be where we are now if it had?
 

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Feeney pulled out of CPI over Connolly row - Times Online


This article from the Sunday Times leaves little doubt but Bertie was determined to stop the CPI and met with Feeney to give the Leinster House view, how could anyone believe Bertie.

McDowell was complicit with Bertie but little doubt he did not want anyone sniffing around him and his cronies, it still goes on, Connolly may get his head one of these days.

Bertie took some risk talking to Feeney direct after all he has put hundreds of millions into Irl, practically financed UL on his own, Bertie risked all this investment his Govt should have been making to put the boot into Connolly and try to keep him at distance.

When Mahon reports all the rats will be well away from the sinking ship and Bertie will be totally naked, Connolly will feast on the cadaver with the relish of the patient.
Good point. But when did anything ever matter to Ahern and to FF other than their own self interest. If FF were going to be damaged they would sacrifice their mothers to avoid it and sacrificing Feeney's billion or so wouldn't bother them. And it's interesting also that only recently did the FF led government release the advice that looks like it might exonerate Lowry. Why only now? Could it be that FF wanted to gain as much political capital as possible by hanging Lowry out to dry and associating him with FG. Even though it was likely to cost over a billion in compensation to the failed bidders if Lowry was shown to have acted corruptly. Maybe now that Lowry is FF's best friend they have decided to let him off the hook by releasing the advice thus ensuring he stays in the Dail to support them in their awesome incompetence. (The fact that it could have cost the taxpayer over 1 billion in compo though would never have been enough to get the advice released.). Tom Gilmartin told an intersting tale of his first proposals for Liffey Valley. He promised 2000 jobs in thw 1980s builing it. FF killed the proposal because Gilmartin wouldn't hand over enough payola. The jobs didn't matter - filling FF's pockets was the only thing that mattered. FF was ever thus and ever will be. FF must be wiped at the next election and years of de-FiannaFailification of society must follow afterwards.
 

stanley

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sam smyth was covering this in his Sunday supplement show and great comedy it was too.

the vilivication of connoly is still on going there despite the track record of bertie and macdowel four years down the line.

if ive got to pick between a guy who structures inquiries that prevent gardai being asked the question "did you murder that kid in the cell?" and spent 30 MILLION on a field in the middle of nowhere WELL above the market rate at a BOOM time who was in cahoots with some other bloke who swears blind he got all his dosh on the horses whilst never having a bank account, whoops - turns out i got SIXTEEN - and a journalist who despite being pilloried left right and center by these blokes but broke some of the most significant stories and political scandals this country has ever seen (though having to do it in FOREIGN media)

i know who ILL throw the benefit of the doubt."



Knowing Bertie when he saw the revenue stream coming in from Feeney he was determined to get his mitts on it, besides screwing Connolly (the pain of it) it is amazing Bertie did not get the 3 stooges into play on this one, there are probably a few lapdog journos he could have got in on the gig.


Also agree with the point the CPI could have turned up frightening stories on the FF'rs, maybe Feeney can have a rethink.
 
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CPI was not the stick required to beat FF. Unaccountable think talks funded by foreigners aren't the answer, no matter how obvious the problem, or how well intentioned they may be.
 

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CPI was not the stick required to beat FF. Unaccountable think talks funded by foreigners aren't the answer, no matter how obvious the problem, or how well intentioned they may be.


Better than nothing or under the control of some Govt related/influenced committee, Connolly is Irish as were the people working with him and a returned yank's money is as good as any paddy's and plenty of it.

Bertie set out to destroy CPI cos he was/is afraid of Connolly.
 

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YOu idiots.

FF and politicans in general never had an issue with the CPI per se. They had an issue with someone who refused to answer queries on whether he had travelled to Columbia on a false passport. This at a time when the columbia 3/the IRA had engaged in terrorist training in Columbia.

Any right minded citizen of the Republic would not want such a character 'investigating' their politicians, when clearly he wasn't able, nor willing, to live up to the standards he was expecting of others.

If Connolly had been that concerned about the CPI, he'd have stood aside becuase of the controversy and Feeny could still have donated to the CPI. But as always with all persons connected with the IRA (not saying Connolly is, you can can make up your own minds on that), its not about the Republic, its about overthrowing the government elected by the people.

The CPI for connolly was nothing more than a stick to dig up muck on politicians. He wasn't worthy for the position given his own refusal to answer questions on his own past. As for the OP's point of Connolly feasting on the legacy of Bertie, so what? Whats you point? That he'll be able to write bad stuff about him? The public have already made up their mind on Bertie. As they have on Connolly. Neither of them look any good.
 

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The role of this guy Feeney has never been questioned by our lazy media.

A multi-millionaire pumping money into projects he favours in a foreign country? If Ireland had any self-respect we'd tell him to go to hell.

A lot of his money goes to promote the Mass Immigration agenda, with funding going to such outfits as the Immigrant Council of Ireland. That permits such mosquito groups to acquire a much higher profile than is warranted by their numbers or their support in the community.


??????...I know he gave my kids school money for interactive whiteboards...so I will not be telling him to GO anywhere!!!!
 

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Good point. But when did anything ever matter to Ahern and to FF other than their own self interest. If FF were going to be damaged they would sacrifice their mothers to avoid it and sacrificing Feeney's billion or so wouldn't bother them. And it's interesting also that only recently did the FF led government release the advice that looks like it might exonerate Lowry. Why only now? Could it be that FF wanted to gain as much political capital as possible by hanging Lowry out to dry and associating him with FG. Even though it was likely to cost over a billion in compensation to the failed bidders if Lowry was shown to have acted corruptly. Maybe now that Lowry is FF's best friend they have decided to let him off the hook by releasing the advice thus ensuring he stays in the Dail to support them in their awesome incompetence. (The fact that it could have cost the taxpayer over 1 billion in compo though would never have been enough to get the advice released.). Tom Gilmartin told an intersting tale of his first proposals for Liffey Valley. He promised 2000 jobs in thw 1980s builing it. FF killed the proposal because Gilmartin wouldn't hand over enough payola. The jobs didn't matter - filling FF's pockets was the only thing that mattered. FF was ever thus and ever will be. FF must be wiped at the next election and years of de-FiannaFailification of society must follow afterwards.
...after all, Feeney's money wasn't going into anything they could personally take advantage of.
 

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YOu idiots.

FF and politicans in general never had an issue with the CPI per se. They had an issue with someone who refused to answer queries on whether he had travelled to Columbia on a false passport. This at a time when the columbia 3/the IRA had engaged in terrorist training in Columbia.

Any right minded citizen of the Republic would not want such a character 'investigating' their politicians, when clearly he wasn't able, nor willing, to live up to the standards he was expecting of others.

If Connolly had been that concerned about the CPI, he'd have stood aside becuase of the controversy and Feeny could still have donated to the CPI. But as always with all persons connected with the IRA (not saying Connolly is, you can can make up your own minds on that), its not about the Republic, its about overthrowing the government elected by the people.

The CPI for connolly was nothing more than a stick to dig up muck on politicians. He wasn't worthy for the position given his own refusal to answer questions on his own past. As for the OP's point of Connolly feasting on the legacy of Bertie, so what? Whats you point? That he'll be able to write bad stuff about him? The public have already made up their mind on Bertie. As they have on Connolly. Neither of them look any good.
Whatever about Connolly; Bertie publicly stated that he had a problem with Feeney's financing of it - 'it wasn't fitting that public standards investigations should be financed from outside the State,' or words to that effect.
How fuccing Righteous of him.
 

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Whatever about Connolly; Bertie publicly stated that he had a problem with Feeney's financing of it - 'it wasn't fitting that public standards investigations should be financed from outside the State,' or words to that effect.
How fuccing Righteous of him.
Yep, but he does have a point, much as I hate to admit it, in that "public standards" investigation can mean many things to many men and if a self appointed group is to do it the public needs to know who is behind it and the financing available. It is all part of the process which would go into judging the veracity or reliability of its findings. I don't particularly have a problem with Feeney financing such an orginisation but everything should be out in the open.
 

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YOu idiots.

FF and politicans in general never had an issue with the CPI per se. They had an issue with someone who refused to answer queries on whether he had travelled to Columbia on a false passport. This at a time when the columbia 3/the IRA had engaged in terrorist training in Columbia.

Any right minded citizen of the Republic would not want such a character 'investigating' their politicians, when clearly he wasn't able, nor willing, to live up to the standards he was expecting of others.

If Connolly had been that concerned about the CPI, he'd have stood aside becuase of the controversy and Feeny could still have donated to the CPI. But as always with all persons connected with the IRA (not saying Connolly is, you can can make up your own minds on that), its not about the Republic, its about overthrowing the government elected by the people.

The CPI for connolly was nothing more than a stick to dig up muck on politicians. He wasn't worthy for the position given his own refusal to answer questions on his own past. As for the OP's point of Connolly feasting on the legacy of Bertie, so what? Whats you point? That he'll be able to write bad stuff about him? The public have already made up their mind on Bertie. As they have on Connolly. Neither of them look any good.

FF has a problem with anything that exposes their corruption. Thornton Hall has left many questions unanswered. It was either one of the greatest rip-offs ever inflicted on taxpayers or else it was the greatest display of incompetence ever by a government minister. Even worse than the purcahse of Farrmleigh for twice its original asking price. Maybe Connolly went to Sth America with that gang, I don't know. But if he had info on the shenanigans of FF, it shoudl have been revealed. I have this crazy idea that I like to know what my taxes are spent on.
 

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Yep, but he does have a point, much as I hate to admit it, in that "public standards" investigation can mean many things to many men and if a self appointed group is to do it the public needs to know who is behind it and the financing available. It is all part of the process which would go into judging the veracity or reliability of its findings. I don't particularly have a problem with Feeney financing such an orginisation but everything should be out in the open.
Yep, I just feel doubly sickened because at the time I agreed with Ahern.
I was a lot younger, and oblivious to the background shenanigans.
 

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Good point. But when did anything ever matter to Ahern and to FF other than their own self interest. If FF were going to be damaged they would sacrifice their mothers to avoid it and sacrificing Feeney's billion or so wouldn't bother them. And it's interesting also that only recently did the FF led government release the advice that looks like it might exonerate Lowry. Why only now? Could it be that FF wanted to gain as much political capital as possible by hanging Lowry out to dry and associating him with FG. Even though it was likely to cost over a billion in compensation to the failed bidders if Lowry was shown to have acted corruptly. Maybe now that Lowry is FF's best friend they have decided to let him off the hook by releasing the advice thus ensuring he stays in the Dail to support them in their awesome incompetence. (The fact that it could have cost the taxpayer over 1 billion in compo though would never have been enough to get the advice released.). Tom Gilmartin told an intersting tale of his first proposals for Liffey Valley. He promised 2000 jobs in thw 1980s builing it. FF killed the proposal because Gilmartin wouldn't hand over enough payola. The jobs didn't matter - filling FF's pockets was the only thing that mattered. FF was ever thus and ever will be. FF must be wiped at the next election and years of de-FiannaFailification of society must follow afterwards.
And then, in a late effort to make amends, it was promised to provide a community centre, creches, sports facilities, etc., in the same area.
The plans were eventually subverted into reduced facilities & high-density housing blocks on the piece of land in question - North Clondalkin; one of the most disadvataged areas in Dublin now still has all of it's problems intact but it's population has doubled.
 
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Better than nothing or under the control of some Govt related/influenced committee, Connolly is Irish as were the people working with him and a returned yank's money is as good as any paddy's and plenty of it.

Bertie set out to destroy CPI cos he was/is afraid of Connolly.
I'm all for Bertie's destruction. And all for proper oversight of our politicians, political parties, public bodies and any other private body that influences the states business. But the suggestion that it doesn't matter where money comes from along as you think it is being used properly is like something Bertie would come up with. Bertie may have set out to destroy the CPI for personal reasons, but he was doing the right thing for once even if his motivation was completely wrong. And Connolly had no business anywhere near that role. He's a good investigative journalist in a country that doesn't do investigative journalism. Politically he is tainted the Columbia trip and the family connections. Would he be as thorough with an investigation of Sinn Féin? He must have enough info for a fairly damaging exposé already but never bothered producing it for obvious reasons. That's fine as a journalist, but it makes him unsuitable for the CPI role.
 

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I'm all for Bertie's destruction. And all for proper oversight of our politicians, political parties, public bodies and any other private body that influences the states business. But the suggestion that it doesn't matter where money comes from along as you think it is being used properly is like something Bertie would come up with. Bertie may have set out to destroy the CPI for personal reasons, but he was doing the right thing for once even if his motivation was completely wrong. And Connolly had no business anywhere near that role. He's a good investigative journalist in a country that doesn't do investigative journalism. Politically he is tainted the Columbia trip and the family connections. Would he be as thorough with an investigation of Sinn Féin? He must have enough info for a fairly damaging exposé already but never bothered producing it for obvious reasons. That's fine as a journalist, but it makes him unsuitable for the CPI role.
Was a simple replacement (for Connolly) ever mooted at the time ?
 

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I'm all for Bertie's destruction. And all for proper oversight of our politicians, political parties, public bodies and any other private body that influences the states business. But the suggestion that it doesn't matter where money comes from along as you think it is being used properly is like something Bertie would come up with. Bertie may have set out to destroy the CPI for personal reasons, but he was doing the right thing for once even if his motivation was completely wrong. And Connolly had no business anywhere near that role. He's a good investigative journalist in a country that doesn't do investigative journalism. Politically he is tainted the Columbia trip and the family connections. Would he be as thorough with an investigation of Sinn Féin? He must have enough info for a fairly damaging exposé already but never bothered producing it for obvious reasons. That's fine as a journalist, but it makes him unsuitable for the CPI role.


They had no problem taking Feeney's money for projects such as UL which the State should have financed, had the FF'rs and mates not being robbing the country.

Bertie used the concept of foreign funds to shaft Connolly particularly as MacDowell failed, who knows what he said to Feeney but there would have been very little truth.
 

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...after all, Feeney's money wasn't going into anything they could personally take advantage of.

Bertie would have tried to get the 3 stooges in on this act, who better to tell Feeney where his money was most needed but the Prime Minister's closest, most trusted crooks.

They will have been in with the free passports etc., anything to get this lad onside.
 


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