Fermoy Town Council elections 2009

The Dude

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Anyone else here have any interest in the circus that is Fermoy Town Council?
 


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Not knowing a huge amount about Fermoy politics, what happened to cause so many Independents to get elected last time out? As I understand it, FF and FG have one seat between them on the town council, yet hold all the seats in the corresponding County Council LEA.

Also, the PDs took a seat their last time out, has their councillor anounced his intentions, either in terms of which party he may run for or whether he will stand again at all?
 

The Dude

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The PD said he will run independent. As for Tadhg and Labour, I would imagine his seat is safe. The strong contenders this year seem to be from FG, where Pat O'Driscoll, former president of Young FG is running. It wil be interesting to see how the Green candidate does. At 19 he's the party's youngest candidate in the country for the local elections. He seems strong enough, speaks well and says all the right things when it comes to the town. I'd say his youth and the fact that he's a green could work against him.
Still, about 100 first preferences are enough to get onto FTC....

EDIT: Oh and Locke, FF and FG split the 4 seats in the LEA, but FG will suffer because one of their cllrs isn't running again, he's quite popular too.
 

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Is that Hanley, Dude?
The PD? Nope - it's Peter Merrigan. Hanley's an independent.

A quick look at the FTC website shows 5 Independents, 1 FG (Aileen Pyne, also a County Cllr), 1 Labour (Tadhg O'Donovan, current Mayor), 1 SF (Seamus Coleman) and 1 PD but soon to be independent.
 

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Adam Douglas

Adam Douglas for the Green will do very well. He is one of the youngest candidates in the country but is intelligent, articulate and very clued in. He is canvassing very well.
 

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Adam Douglas for the Green will do very well. He is one of the youngest candidates in the country but is intelligent, articulate and very clued in. He is canvassing very well.
When you say, "he is cavassing very well", -what do you mean?

From his photo in the local papers here in East Cork, he looks like he's just had his Confirmation. Talk about a baby faced.

The Greens are going to face objections they never faced before at the doorsteps.
Wait til you tell the farmers around Macroom they'll have to reduce their herd size in the name of Climate Change.
 

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Adam Douglas

What I meant was that he is getting a very good response at the doorsteps. Farmers will not have to reduce their herd numbers at all. We should receive credit for afforestation and this will offset carbon from farms.
 

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What I meant was that he is getting a very good response at the doorsteps. Farmers will not have to reduce their herd numbers at all. We should receive credit for afforestation and this will offset carbon from farms.

Funny you say that, regarding reducing the National Herd. Mr Gormley however, says differently.

By the way, everyone gets a good response at the doorsteps. Rarely do you get verbally abused.

If your colleague is under the age of 30 he has a 60% chance of being elected -going on the results for new candidates from 2004.
 

The Dude

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When you say, "he is cavassing very well", -what do you mean?

From his photo in the local papers here in East Cork, he looks like he's just had his Confirmation. Talk about a baby faced.

The Greens are going to face objections they never faced before at the doorsteps.
Wait til you tell the farmers around Macroom they'll have to reduce their herd size in the name of Climate Change.
Douglas has been doing well in what he's been saying and hasn't always been toeing the green party line. He does look very young but he's coming to a council that is a farce IMO, the people of Fermoy are sick of the constant bickering there. He has a chance - only 100 first preferences have gotten candidates over the line in the past. The concern I'd have is that people looking for young blood on the council would split their votes between him and Pat O'Driscoll, the FG candidate and neither would get in.
 

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Farmers will not have to reduce their herd numbers at all. We should receive credit for afforestation and this will offset carbon from farms.
We should receive Credit for Afforestation but that is not allowed under the Kyoto protocol. ..Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

See only taxes will actually cool the planet in the world of the IPCC.

Wait til they move on the number of children which will be allowed. You want a child? Better buy the Carbon Credits first.
 

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Four councillors have rejected their conference expenses for '09 and are dishing the money out to disadvantaged schoolkids instead - that should be a big vote winner for them and the other 5 who are keeping theirs must look very bad in comparison,
 

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I know Pat O,D personally and i have to say he is a gentelman I wish him the best of luck.
 

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Four councillors have rejected their conference expenses for '09 and are dishing the money out to disadvantaged schoolkids instead - that should be a big vote winner for them and the other 5 who are keeping theirs must look very bad in comparison,
Wish our goverment would give example well done to the four councillors.!
 

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Here's the full story

COUNCILLORS UP THE ANTE IN FERMOY

Christmas came early in Fermoy this year as four members of the town council agreed to forego their conference expenses for 2009, instead insisting that the funds go towards local primary schools and the struggling town leisure centre.

In extraordinary scenes at the Fermoy Town Council budget meeting last Tuesday, Councillors Seamus Coleman, Michael Hanley, Peter Merrigan and Brian Power asked that the money set aside for their conference expenses for the year ahead, a total of €12,000, be redistributed in the budget.

The four asked that the money be used to help subsidise the Fermoy Leisure Centre and to re-establish a Promotion of Interests of Local Community Scheme that was to be cut due to a lack of funds.

The remaining five councillors - Mayor Tadhg O’Donovan and Councillors Tim Carey, William Hughes, John Murphy and Aileen Pyne chose not to follow suit, thus leaving the council with €13,000 budgeted towards any conference expenses that those five alone may incur.

Six local primary schools are now set to benefit to the tune of €5,000 from the Community Scheme while the Fermoy Leisure Centre will receive €7,000 towards its expenditure as a result of the four councillors who have surrendered their expenses.

The allocation of expenses has been a source of contention in recent times. The four councillors who have donated their expenses had been vocal in their opposition to the conferences and the value for taxpayers’ money that the seminars represented.

This opposition was raised once again at the budget meeting. Comparing the conference trips to the recent FAS expenses scandal, Sinn Fein Councillor Seamus Coleman said that the amount spent by the council on conferences was ‘mad,’ adding that he has yet to see the value for money in the trips.

“Maybe they should look at their performance,” Cllr Coleman said of the five councillors who have availed of such conference trips and have chosen to keep the expenses for 2009.

“I propose that the €2,800 set aside for my conference expenses be removed and put against the swimming pool,” Cllr Peter Merrigan said, “I don’t want it, I won’t use it and I will put that in writing. I ask that any other councillor who wishes may do the same.”

Cllr Hanley said that he was ‘shocked’ at the expenditure on conference trips that was ‘unrealistic’ considering the current economic climate. Cllr Hanley added that he believed that such expenses would be incurred by councillors who already benefit from an automatic allowance afforded to members of Fermoy Town Council every six months and that €5,000 of the overall €25,000 designated for conference expenses should instead go into the Community Scheme.

He said it would be a ‘significant gesture’ from local officials during a difficult economic environment if this scheme were to be earmarked for disadvantaged primary school pupils.

In contrast Cllr Pyne defended the conference trips, expressing her disappointment that the four councillors in question did not avail of the educational advantages such seminars had to offer. Such education, Cllr Pyne added, was of benefit to the same five councillors who recently met with Minister of State Sean Power to negotiate a compromise on the ongoing weir issue.

This example did not sit well with Cllr Power, who took offence at Cllr Pyne’s remarks.

He explained that due to the short notice of the meeting with the minister and given that the meeting was held during business hours he, and other councillors, were unable to attend. As a postal worker, he noted, two days notice is not enough to take time off at his profession’s busiest time of year.

The original programme within the budget that outlined expenses was defeated by four votes to three, with Cllrs Carey, Murphy and Pyne voting for the adoption of the programme as it was and Cllrs Coleman, Hanley, Merrigan and Power voting against to facilitate their proposals. Cllr William Hughes abstained from the vote and therefore Mayor Tadgh O’Donovan’s casting vote was not required.

Subsequent amendments to previous programmes that now benefited from the redistribution of the conference expenses funds were all voted in by four votes to nil; Cllrs Coleman, Hanley, Merrigan and Power voting in favour and Cllrs Carey, Hughes, Murphy and Pyne abstaining from these votes.

The 2009 budget for Fermoy Town Council was then voted in by the same margin; four votes to nil. Once again Cllrs Coleman, Hanley, Merrigan and Power voted in favour and Cllrs Carey, Hughes, Murphy and Pyne abstained from the vote.
 

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there are 75 town councils - if each were had the same conference budget of €25,000 that equals €1,875,000. Add to that the borough councils (5) and the much larger city councils (5) and county councils (29) whicha are much larger, have more members and presumably more expenses - a good few million to be saved there alone. Let's face it there are very few of these "conferences" which are not just pure junkets.
 

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The word in Fermoy is that there could be as many as 30 candidates for the town council this June :eek:
 


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