Festival of Marxism 2017: Glorifying the Gulag

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The "Festival of Marxism" kicked off in Dublin yesterday. The facebook page is here: https://m.facebook.com/MarxismFestival/. The event is organised by the Socialist Workers Party, although you won't find them putting their name to it, just as they don't put their name to the TDs they have in the Dail, but it is very easy to see from the prominence of SWP speakers at the event that it has been organised by them.

The event has been relatively well advertised in Dublin city in terms of posters. It strikes me as bizarre that an ideology which was responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century, and which has enslaved and subjugated people wherever it has been implemented (spare me the 'no true Scotsman' defence that 'real' Marxism has never been applied) can still, in 2017, be advertised in the context of a "festival".

In my view, there is no moral difference between a "Festival of Marxism" and a "Carnival of National Socialism". Both are totalitarian ideologies which justified genocide against entire groups of people (for the Marxists, this was class based extermination, as in the Kulaks, whereas for the Nazis it was largely race based). Both are utterly failed, discredited belief systems. Yet it is unimaginable that we would see posters advertising an event to discuss Nazi ideas. Why have we forgotten the lessons of Russia and China while we remember so clearly the lessons of Germany?
 


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As long as the left is in thrall to the Russianrevolution it will never get anywhere.
 
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Marx was a 19th century economist and philosopher.

Where's the connection to Gulags?
 

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Marx was a 19th century economist and philosopher.

Where's the connection to Gulags?
His support for Revolution and Violence and Class Warfare

- BTW Anti Semitism and violence against Jews long pre dated Hitler and the Nazis

It really is bizarre that this Red Cult is allowed to preach hatred on Our Streets in this day and age....:|
 

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Amazing how all the "Marxists" seem to be very well paid by the state.
 

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As long as the left is in thrall to the Rusdian revolution it will never get anywhere.
Marx was German , he died thirty years before the Russian revolution.

But I accept ignorance is deep-seated and terms like Marxism and socialism have troublesome connotations for the simple-minded. In the US, to take an extreme example, Obama and Hillary Clinton are often cited as 'socialists' and 'liberals', so degraded is the use and understanding of these terms...

So maybe a rebranding is in order. If Nazi-ism can have a successful rebranding as alt-right then how do we rebrand Marxism?
 

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Marx was German , he died thirty years before the Russian revolution.

But I accept ignorance is deep-seated and terms like Marxism and socialism have troublesome connotations for the simple-minded. In the US, to take an extreme example, Obama and Hillary Clinton are often cited as 'socialists' and 'liberals', so degraded is the use and understanding of these terms...

So maybe a rebranding is in order. If Nazi-ism can have a successful rebranding as alt-right then how do we rebrand Marxism?
Alt Left?
 

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I see you're a keen historical scholar.
Marx was an economist, who critiqued 19th century capitalism, a capitalism which was killing millions, even in this country where the forefathers of P.ie were starving to death on the roadside.
His definition of how capitalism works was an essential platform by which it was, eventually, civilised by socialism.
Without Marx, capitalism would have died long ago. Ironically, the formation of unions and labour movements, inspired by Marx, allowed the workers to form collectives. These collectives, trade unions, socialist political parties civilized capitalism and forced the redistribution of wealth, which capitalists vehemently opposed at every turn. Without that redistribution capitalism would have failed long ago.
 

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Marx was an economist, who critiqued 19th century capitalism, a capitalism which was killing millions, even in this country where the forefathers of P.ie were starving to death on the roadside.
His definition of how capitalism works was an essential platform by which it was, eventually, civilised by socialism.
Without Marx, capitalism would have died long ago. Ironically, the formation of unions and labour movements, inspired by Marx, allowed the workers to form collectives. These collectives, trade unions, socialist political parties civilized capitalism and forced the redistribution of wealth, which capitalists vehemently opposed at every turn. Without that redistribution capitalism would have failed long ago.
Marx wasn't really known Internationally until after the Communists seized Power in Russia in 1917

'Communism'* and Socialism pre dated him

- and peaked long after his death

Herr Marx was petty Bourgeois to his fingertips....

Fun Fact: He never held a paid job in his Life....

Up the Workers! :p

* Though in fairness he and Engels did make it far better known that is was previous to TCM in 1848
 

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Marx wasn't really known Internationally until after the Communists seized Power in Russia in 1917

'Communism'* and Socialism pre dated him

- and peaked long after his death

Herr Marx was petty Bourgeois to his fingertips....

Fun Fact: He never held a paid job in his Life....

Up the Workers! :p

* Though in fairness he and Engels did make it far better known that is was previous to TCM in 1848
But there is no doubt his ideas and his deconstruction of capitalism was an inspiration to labour movements across the world.
These Labour movements have made an enormously positive contribution to human welfare. The threat of revolution, and the collective power of unions, coupled with democratic evolution, forced the redistribution of wealth.
There is a simple maxim to any capitalist boss,when it comes to labour, and it still applies today.
" I will get the most productive worker possible, and pay him the lowest wage possible" . The workers power lies in the collective, which Marx recognized , and which also still applies today.

Talking about the gulags is a distraction, you may as well blame Jesus Christ for the Spanish Inquisition .
 

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Marx was German , he died thirty years before the Russian revolution.

But I accept ignorance is deep-seated and terms like Marxism and socialism have troublesome connotations for the simple-minded. In the US, to take an extreme example, Obama and Hillary Clinton are often cited as 'socialists' and 'liberals', so degraded is the use and understanding of these terms...

So maybe a rebranding is in order. If Nazi-ism can have a successful rebranding as alt-right then how do we rebrand Marxism?

Nobody is saying Marx was personally responsible for the revolution but Marxists were and Marx is only remembered at all because of them. There is no need to rebrand Marxism. We’re not selling Marxism. We selling or should be selling a better life for working people. The first item on the agenda is the market system. Have we a workable alternative? No we don’t. Should we then accept that the market must be part of a better future? We have no choice if we are serious. Yes it must be regulated and governed but it can’t be abolished.

That for me is the first test of political seriousness for anyone on the left.
 

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Forget the failures
Don’t be husky
Come along and be a russkie!
 
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So maybe a rebranding is in order. If Nazi-ism can have a successful rebranding as alt-right then how do we rebrand Marxism?
SJW, cultural marxism, sanders supporters etc
 

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One of the biggest disasters to hit humanity was Trotsky who is used by Marxists as an altrrnative to Lenin and Stalin.

It is a hard sell.

In the 1920s the Bolsheviks choose Stalin over Trotsky because Trotsky was a crackpot responsible for the death of millions.

But that is just another episode of butchery to be swept beneath the carpet brneath the promise of socialist control of the individual.
 
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Isn't 'social justice warrior' used only as a term of abuse? Does anyone actually refer to themselves as a SJW?
 

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Disgraceful its an ideology which murdered hundreds of millions and yet there is still morons who think its worth celebrating including our own clown of a president, what if someone was to take to the streets holding up a Swastika well this is no different but its bizarrely treated as such.
 


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