FF having their cake and eating it

Fr. Hank Tree

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Mr Kitt added, however, that he will not vote for Brian Cowen when the leadership issue comes up for discussion after Budget day on 7 December.

Another Fianna Fáil TD, Michael O'Kennedy, said his party needs a change of leadership but first of all the Budget, the four-year plan and EU/IMF negotiations must be completed.
Taoiseach says he is not clinging to power - RT News

Fianna Fáil backbenchers are lining up to have it both ways in relation to the party leadership. They are happy to keep Brian Cowen as leader for the budget. However, as soon as he is used up, they will dispose of him and put in a new leader.

What's worse is that they may not even call an election immediately, but allow Brian Cowen to remain on as Taoiseach in a chairman capacity until the "budgetary process" is over so as to ensure certainty, stability and the like. Thus, the new leader of FF would have a certain amount of leeway and cover to prepare for the election while Cowen as taoiseach is completely scapegoated and fed to the dogs.

So it seems that while Brian Cowen may not be good enough for FF he certainly is good enough for the rest us. If FF don't like their leader then that's fine. Get rid of him and call an election. Or they can stick with him and ride it out. But a situation where they change their leader while Brian Cowen remains on in a chairman capacity would be intolerable.
 


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He's clinging to power to make sure his friends can get a good deal from the IMF, that's pretty obvious.

IMF involvement will be a godsend to corrupt FF. Even now I suspect money is swishing into FF bank accounts in return for a good deal with the IMF.

Directorships etc being arranged as well.
 

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Why are we supporting this budget. It's an austerity that is going to target the poor and the most vulnerable. What kind of society are we in when it is acceptable to take money from orphans, the disabled, the blind, the newly unemployed struggling with negative equity and exorbitant mortgage repayments.

Whoever supports this is a turkey voting for Christmas.
 

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I see on TV3 that Brian Cowen is going to survive tonight. FF backbenchers grandstanding - whodda thunk it? Meanwhile, as per the scenario described above, Mary Hanafin has put herslef forward as leadership candidate. As someone remarked recently, not holding an economic portfolio will be a significant asset to her and enable her to distance herself from Cowen.
 
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Hank, that's good news.

FF and the country need to get Cowen out of office immediately before he negotiates a deal with the IMF. Anyone would be better negotiating with the IMF than Cowen.

His record on negotiating secret deals is truely shocking.
 

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Hank, that's good news.

FF and the country need to get Cowen out of office immediately before he negotiates a deal with the IMF. Anyone would be better negotiating with the IMF than Cowen.

His record on negotiating secret deals is truely shocking.
Cowen will be Taoiseach until next spring. He will cease to be leader of FF a lot sooner than that.
 

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There is no much cake left.........guess who ate most of it...

 
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Boggle

He's good enough for (potentially the most important negotiation ever for) the country but not good enough for Fine Fail obviously. So basically they hold higher regard for FF than the country. Great.

Either he's fired or not - how can we expect even a competent individual to perform under those conditions.... And he's hardly competent at the best of times.
 

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Cowen buying time to get involved in the IMF negotiations.

Country about to be sold out again by this clown. It's time for him to step aside.

FF just want to go to the electorate with a new leader. Always FF first and foremost.
 

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Once again FF are telling us to be responsible and to vote the budget through in the national interest. Cowan will drag out the budget for as long as possible meaning it will be March before a GE takes place. The FF parliamentary party are becomimg more hesitant about moving against Cowan - once again it is all about the national interest.

Political commentators are telling us that sources in Europe are telling them that the budget and 4 year plan need to be implemented or Ireland will cause the Euro to crash.

It is time for FG and Labour to call a halt to all this nonsense. Cowan has rejected Kenny's call to expedite the budget process. It is now time for FG and Labour to reclaim our sovereignty by voting against the budget precipitating a GE in January. The new Govt can return to the EU/IMF and renogotiate any deal. There will obviously still be a loss of sovereignty but at least our Govt will have some semblance of standing up for itself.
 

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Cowen buying time to get involved in the IMF negotiations.

Country about to be sold out again by this clown. It's time for him to step aside.

FF just want to go to the electorate with a new leader. Always FF first and foremost.
Months to come up with the "four year plan".

More months to come up with a budget.

More months to come up with the Finance Bill.

Who do these cretins think they're fooling?
 
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There is no much cake left.........

Plenty of cheese cake about.



If FF were interested in the good of the country they would call an election immediately. Any other position is pure nonsense.

They need to be forced out so the Greens need to stiffen their resolve.
 

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Once again FF are telling us to be responsible and to vote the budget through in the national interest. Cowan will drag out the budget for as long as possible meaning it will be March before a GE takes place. The FF parliamentary party are becomimg more hesitant about moving against Cowan - once again it is all about the national interest.

Political commentators are telling us that sources in Europe are telling them that the budget and 4 year plan need to be implemented or Ireland will cause the Euro to crash.

It is time for FG and Labour to call a halt to all this nonsense. Cowan has rejected Kenny's call to expedite the budget process. It is now time for FG and Labour to reclaim our sovereignty by voting against the budget precipitating a GE in January. The new Govt can return to the EU/IMF and renogotiate any deal. There will obviously still be a loss of sovereignty but at least our Govt will have some semblance of standing up for itself.
Well the latest looks like the FG are whimping out. They deserve all they get if they allow FF to weasel out of this one. :-x
 


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