No he just has the maturity of a 15 year old e.g. when he scraped his name into a desk in the TodayFM studios. Yes it really happened.Well who knows? It is quite plausible that Royston Brady is the Devil incarnate and the epicentre of all evil in the world.
I don't think so, people thought that about the Canadian Conservatives when they were reduced to two seats in the 1990s, but they re-emerged. FF here wont be discarded in such a way because there is a good degree of familial loyalty behind it, plus a hardcore support that isn't negligible.If FF is doing this badly now, how badly will it do when the Tribunal stuff comes out? Are we seeing the end of FF?
My comment wasn't intended in any way as an endorsement of Flynn; it was simply the observation that she has the natural qualities- which are in themselves neither morally good nor bad- of a leader. Also that the "corrupt" practices she was guilty of were standard unofficial policy at the time. And listening to the likes of Kevin Myers screech self-righteously at her from his column was a little difficult to take.Ok now we know you are just kidding.
Bev "I'm entitled to it" Flynn?
Actually. Let her become leader. Please.It should remove the remaining 22% of support.
FF would really need to think outside of the box and quit it with the family dynatys
I think FF did a very good job of nailing themselves to Ahern during the last 6 months of his reign.The Tribunal stuff should damage Fianna Fail, perhaps much more so now that the gravy train is gone and that people are angry. The extent to which it does so depends on a number of things. Most important are whether Fianna Fail distances itself in time from Ahern and the others in the frame, and also whether there is a large smokescreen kicked up, an attack on the Tribunal's credibility or fairness, for example, or a selective emphasis to draw the eyes of people away from the substantive findings. Fully expect the latter, not so sure about the former, though given Ahern's cowardly lumping of blame for the economic mess on to his successor, Cowen really should feel free now to distance himself as much as possible. I'm not sure he has the vision to do so...
I think you put your finger on the problem when you "called" Coughlan correctly. The appointment of Coughlan highlights graphically FF's main problem - thre absolute dearth of talent of any kind coming through. Apart from Coughlan, there are others in Cabinet like Cullen and O'Dea who, let's face it, like Coughlan are appointed for geographical reasons, (given that there is no other reason to appoint them to Cabinet positions. If Coughlan, O'Dea and Cullen are deemed cabinet material, just imagine what the rest are like.This current crisis represents the biggest challenge, by far, that any government has faced since the foundation of this state. I am NOT a member of FF, and must admit that I have rarely voted FF. However, I respect whatever government is in power, and particularly at this time, I have enormous sympathy for Cowan and Lenihan (both extremely bright and capable individuals) who, in my view, are being unfairly hounded by both the media and opposition. They are fully aware of what a poisoned chailce they were handed by Bertie - the real villain of the piece. For their sake, I hope Cowan brings in new talent ASAP. FF have not been well-served by Mary Coughlan in her role as Tanaiste - she must be replaced immediately by Mary Hanafin, who has recovered some of her old poise, and has the essential ability to think on her feet and is never less than articulate. I also suspect that others within FF, such as Martin and Ahern are playing a poilitical game, hoping to gain from Cowan's predicament. It may well be the time to bring them into the tent.
I would be equally supportive of a FG/LAB government in the same situation; however, they are unlikely to regain power under Enda Kenny. As soon as FG get real and remove Kenny, that is the time when the clock may start ticking as far as this Government is concerned.
Lastly, it may now be impossible for Cowan to turn things around in time for the next election in 2001 or 2012. In his position, I would try to do the honourable thing and make tough, courageous decisions in the "National Interest" which will ensure that history looks far more kindly on his tenure in office - just look at how McSharry has been deified. Cowan is still a young man in political terms, he will have another opportunity to return triumphantly to office.
If there is any comfort for FF'ers this morning it could be found reading this site and posts like the one above. FF still has by far the biggest party on the ground in the country and despite the absolutely dire situation that they have led the country into, the retain 22% of the people polled. With the 3% margin of error it is possible that 1 in 4 people still plan on giving their first preference to FF. FG managed to bounce back in a single election cycle from 22% in a general election - not a poll. It is frightening to think what they would need to do to lose the support of, say, a further 15%. Nuke the country? Feed freshly minced puppies to infants?Are we seeing the end of FF?
Not sure whether even that will work. I think Lenihan has been of the mind that he's got bigger things on his plate than worrying about the party for months now. He seemed completely disinterested in the poll results last night as if they were a complete irrelevance. But even if his heart is in the right place, does he, and the civil servants who are with him have the knowhow to make things better?The ratings for FF are at an all time low. Probably they will go a little lower but not too much, this is an opportunity for FF that they may not get again.
Now that FF are not staring at poll results, they can concentrate on running the country.
They should now go for the jugular, and implement the drastic action that is needed.
Go now for the 3 billion cuts that are needed, as at this stage public opinion dosen't matter. For once in your life do what is best for the country
People might even thank you for it.
I've asked you questions, and you're not answering them - typical lack of common courtesy from you. Where are the "soon to be published polls" which YOU claimed, a couple of weeks ago, would show FF ahead of FG? You claimed such polls were in existence - was that another of your lies?Well all gone up the river now , oh what happened Enda Down 3 points?
If you lose support quickly, you can regain it quickly.If there is any comfort for FF'ers this morning it could be found reading this site and posts like the one above. FF still has by far the biggest party on the ground in the country and despite the absolutely dire situation that they have led the country into, the retain 22% of the people polled. With the 3% margin of error it is possible that 1 in 4 people still plan on giving their first preference to FF. FG managed to bounce back in a single election cycle from 22% in a general election - not a poll. It is frightening to think what they would need to do to lose the support of, say, a further 15%. Nuke the country? Feed freshly minced puppies to infants?
There is no cause for dancing around singing 'ding-dong, the witch is dead.' Just because Glen Close is in the bath and not moving does not mean she's dead. Be afraid, be very afraid. To cap the movie theme, it is an absolute certainty -They'll be back.
They will get one almighty hammering in June at the locals.. and may then re-build by looking to a newer generationI posted this in the MRBI thread, but perhaps it is more suited here:
I wonder now will Fianna Fail members in the lower ranks start copping on and try to reclaim the Party from the spivs? There's an opportunity presenting itself for the more ambitious young members to carve a niche now. FF are going to take a hammering and are going to be looking eventually for faces out front that represent a break with the Ahern era. A bit of Kruschev-style denunciation by a cadre of members now of those who have run the show in the last decade might be short-term unpopular but might present a long-term opportunity as the Party scrambles around to put on a new face. Not a million miles from what Blair did with Labour, but distancing themselves from gombeenism rather than from socialism. There is certainly going to be upheaval in FF over the next decade, and opportunities abound for those willing to distance themselves now...