FF - The Globalist Party?

Dame_Enda

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Is FF eschewing nationalism.for globalism?

If so what does that say of the men of 1916 and indeed the founders of FF?

Is Martin going to turn off traditional FFers with this stance? Would a Eurosceptic posture better capitalise on the current populist anti globalist international mood?

Micheál Martin criticises British for 'backward looking nationalism' via @IrishTimes
 


Longford1

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as a fianna fail supporter i agree that we need to be more eurosceptic however there a significantly better than the neo liberals in fine gael
 

okibb

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Has nobody told Micheal that globalisation has failed?

Exporting manufacturing and services in return for short-term commercial profits and cheaper consumables requires the state to support the unemployed.

Attracting these jobs either requires an economy with either practically zero social supports or high supports in advanced economies (in-work benefits).

This is a hiding to nothing to any amateur economist.
 

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FF, FG, Labour and Soros Féin are all Globalist mass immigration parties.
 

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michael martin is a spoofer who hitches himself to whatever idea - movement - FB campaign is trendy
 

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The only nationalism that Irish parties should be concerned with is protecting our geopolitical and economic interests - both Martin and Kenny are playing it cleverly with wait-and-see approaches, promoting moderation to achieve the best results. In any case, rather than pandering to weekly opinion polls, it's the duty of the political centre to defend the values of the Enlightenment.
 

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devoutcapitalist

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Well FF have long since abandoned Nationalism although one could argue whether they were ever a genuinely Nationalist Party.
 

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The only nationalism that Irish parties should be concerned with is protecting our geopolitical and economic interests - both Martin and Kenny are playing it cleverly with wait-and-see approaches, promoting moderation to achieve the best results. In any case, rather than pandering to weekly opinion polls, it's the duty of the political centre to defend the values of the Enlightenment.
Those criminal traitors are exterminating our people by mass immigration. A people doesn't have geopolitical interests once they've been exterminated.
 

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michael martin is a spoofer who hitches himself to whatever idea - movement - FB campaign is trendy
That's about it. He genuinely dosen't seem to see what way the wind is blowing internationally though. Trump was a stake through the heart of globalism.
 

ergo2

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The only nationalism that Irish parties should be concerned with is protecting our geopolitical and economic interests - both Martin and Kenny are playing it cleverly with wait-and-see approaches, promoting moderation to achieve the best results. In any case, rather than pandering to weekly opinion polls, it's the duty of the political centre to defend the values of the Enlightenment.
This is P.ie. No place for sensible posts.

We will be grand, everybody likes us, and we can borrow and spend as much as we like. OK?
 

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FF spent 50 years perfecting backward looking nationalism, they know what they're talking about. :lol:
 

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SF and FF were always republican not nationalist. Unfortunately that leaves them in a poor position to defend the interests of the Irish people at this point in history. Sinn Fein identifies with leftist internationalism and FF with rightist globalisation. But both lead to the same outcome. The end of the idea of a free and independent Ireland as a homeland for the Irish people.

With the fraught international situation now emerging we need a party or parties that will not be bound be failed ideologies but that will be flexible enough to protect our national interest. For example a party that would not be afraid to take us out of the EU if that's what the situation demanded.

It would also have to be a party free of racist head-bangers and hardline Catholics. Ming Flanagan is about the closest I can think of to the kind of person we need.
 

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It would also have to be a party free of racist head-bangers and hardline Catholics. Ming Flanagan is about the closest I can think of to the kind of person we need.
A hardline headbanger.

How zeitgeist-y.
 

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I must say that Martin's view reflects my own. Small nations benefit from international cooperation and norms
 

HarshBuzz

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I must say that Martin's view reflects my own. Small nations benefit from international cooperation and norms
Tell that to Singapore!

Oh wait, yes, they do. Europeans first, Irish second.
 

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SF and FF were always republican not nationalist. Unfortunately that leaves them in a poor position to defend the interests of the Irish people at this point in history. Sinn Fein identifies with leftist internationalism and FF with rightist globalisation. But both lead to the same outcome. The end of the idea of a free and independent Ireland as a homeland for the Irish people.

With the fraught international situation now emerging we need a party or parties that will not be bound be failed ideologies but that will be flexible enough to protect our national interest. For example a party that would not be afraid to take us out of the EU if that's what the situation demanded.

It would also have to be a party free of racist head-bangers and hardline Catholics. Ming Flanagan is about the closest I can think of to the kind of person we need.



You were doing fine there until you mentioned Ming
 

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SF and FF were always republican not nationalist. Unfortunately that leaves them in a poor position to defend the interests of the Irish people at this point in history. Sinn Fein identifies with leftist internationalism and FF with rightist globalisation. But both lead to the same outcome. The end of the idea of a free and independent Ireland as a homeland for the Irish people.

With the fraught international situation now emerging we need a party or parties that will not be bound be failed ideologies but that will be flexible enough to protect our national interest. For example a party that would not be afraid to take us out of the EU if that's what the situation demanded.

It would also have to be a party free of racist head-bangers and hardline Catholics. Ming Flanagan is about the closest I can think of to the kind of person we need.
Ming Flanagan ?

What ever happened to him anyway?

He seems to have disappeared in a puff of smoke!:shock:
 


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