FG are setting up a branch in Queens Uni Belfast. FG the Republican party not FF ?

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I always welcome 32 county political developments even though it might involve a rival party such as PBP or the Greens etc But Simon Coveney was in Queens last weekend giving a speech and has tweeted he is "Looking forward to helping @yfg set up a branch in Queens University next month." It could of course be just tokenism to get a jump on FF, but I'd imagine other branches of FG Youth would soon be forming in other 3rd level institutions if it starts in Queens.

So, (1) with Brexit and the ever changing demographics in favor of nationalists, is this a sign the 26 county establishment are making moves into the electoral system of the north in preparation for a United Ireland ? (Whether it's in 5, 10 or more years)

(2) Fine Gael, who used to call themselves "The United Ireland party" are stealing a jump on FF in projecting themselves as a more nationalist party ?

(3) How would it affect the alleged merge of FF and the SDLP, would the cosy middle catholics in South Belfast etc prefer to join the emerging FG in the north instead ?

Simon Coveney on Twitter:
 


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FG could do reasonably well if they actually took it seriously and put the effort in.

There'd be a fairly sizeable chunk of middle-class voters from SDLP, Alliance and even UUP backgrounds (think yer Basil McCrea types) that are definitely temptable, even some SF voters who mainly vote SF only cos the Stoops are just so fecking hopelessly useless.

FG might be viewed with some suspicion, but FF are actively loathed.

Attract some talent, put the work in, leave the more absurd kneejerk anti-SF screeching behind and I could genuinely see FG getting 8-12% before too long.
 

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FG could do reasonably well if they actually took it seriously and put the effort in.

There'd be a fairly sizeable chunk of middle-class voters from SDLP, Alliance and even UUP backgrounds (think yer Basil McCrea types) that are definitely temptable, even some SF voters who mainly vote SF only cos the Stoops are just so fecking hopelessly useless.

FG might be viewed with some suspicion, but FF are actively loathed.

Attract some talent, put the work in, leave the more absurd kneejerk anti-SF screeching behind and I could genuinely see FG getting 8-12% before too long.
You are making some good points there Sidney. There could be a niche there for the middle class vote not just among the SDLP but also Alliance - even possible former unionists disillusioned with Brexit etc Not as impossible as some might think, like for example the Dockrell family of Dublin who were leading unionist MP's at Westminister with Edward Carson but became FGers though after partition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Dockrell_(Unionist_politician)

Would be hilarious if FG could get more votes in the north than FF who have boasted about been the 'Republican party' since the day they were founded :roflmao:
 

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1. No. FG will never run candidates. This is just kite-flying.
2. No. Again it's just a stunt.
3. Stoops are finished no matter what they do. They will be down below 10% in the locals in May.
 

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I always welcome 32 county political developments even though it might involve a rival party such as PBP or the Greens etc But Simon Coveney was in Queens last weekend giving a speech and has tweeted he is "Looking forward to helping @yfg set up a branch in Queens University next month." It could of course be just tokenism to get a jump on FF, but I'd imagine other branches of FG Youth would soon be forming in other 3rd level institutions if it starts in Queens.

So, (1) with Brexit and the ever changing demographics in favor of nationalists, is this a sign the 26 county establishment are making moves into the electoral system of the north in preparation for a United Ireland ? (Whether it's in 5, 10 or more years)

(2) Fine Gael, who used to call themselves "The United Ireland party" are stealing a jump on FF in projecting themselves as a more nationalist party ?

(3) How would it affect the alleged merge of FF and the SDLP, would the cosy middle catholics in South Belfast etc prefer to join the emerging FG in the north instead ?

Simon Coveney on Twitter:
FG still call themselves the United Ireland party, and in the last couple of years in particular have completely outflanked FF on "greenness".
 

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Would be hilarious if FG could get more votes in the north than FF who have boasted about been the Republican party since the day they were founded :roflmao:
I'd have a good old laugh at that result alright :roflmao:
 

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FG still call themselves the United Ireland party, and in the last couple of years in particular have completely outflanked FF on "greenness".
In fairness, it wasn't much of a task tbh. Leo and Simon have managed to interact with northern nationalists in a much less confrontational manner than Micheal Martin with one simple political trick - listening as opposed to telling. FF can't even stand a member of it's own party for a local election in the north without threats of a schism.
 

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1921 NI election.

Stoops 12%.
SF 21%.


2017 elections.
Stoops 12%
SF 28%.


Ok the Stoops wernt about in 1921 but the Nat party more or less became the Stoops.


There is feck all votes about when SF get their house in order for other Nat parties.
 

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FG still call themselves the United Ireland party, and in the last couple of years in particular have completely outflanked FF on "greenness".
Any examples during 'the last couple of years in particular'?
 

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In fairness, it wasn't much of a task tbh. Leo and Simon have managed to interact with northern nationalists in a much less confrontational manner than Micheal Martin with one simple political trick - listening as opposed to telling. FF can't even stand a member of it's own party for a local election in the north without threats of a schism.
Your prediction of a FG SF the mudguard coalition is definitely a real possibility next time out.
 

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FG still call themselves the United Ireland party, and in the last couple of years in particular have completely outflanked FF on "greenness".
Have to agree with you there hbap, I'll never be a FG voter, but Coveney should be your leader - as you and 65% of your party know.
 

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Any examples during 'the last couple of years in particular'?
I'm sure he thinks that the numerous royal visits during the FG govts lifetime are evidence of this :D
 

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In fairness, it wasn't much of a task tbh. Leo and Simon have managed to interact with northern nationalists in a much less confrontational manner than Micheal Martin with one simple political trick - listening as opposed to telling. FF can't even stand a member of it's own party for a local election in the north without threats of a schism.
True enough, FF trying to pose as some sort of staunch Republican party against the Shinners is like a terrier growling at a Rottweiler. FF know their standing in the six counties would be a humiliation, northerners and their children will be more than aware of FF's blathering for decades with from Dev to Lemass (said the Civil Rights Movement would be "finished in a wet weekend"), stand "idly by " Lynch, Haughey, Ahern etc The ultimate farce for FF would surely be FG doing better in the six counties - an entire possibility the way things are going.
 

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Any examples during 'the last couple of years in particular'?
SF and their poor supporters are being prepared to be FG mudguard. The word has come out from HQ that FG arent that bad.

How pathetic have they become? They are even defending FG.
 

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SF and their poor supporters are being prepared to be FG mudguard. The word has come out from HQ that FG arent that bad.

How pathetic have they become? They are even defending FG.
Drugs are bad, m'kay?
 

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FG still call themselves the United Ireland party, and in the last couple of years in particular have completely outflanked FF on "greenness".
Would FG run candidates in UK parliamentary elections if they establish themselves in NI? And if so, if elected, would they (theFG United Ireland party) swear allegiance to the Queen?
 

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Would FG run candidates in UK parliamentary elections if they establish themselves in NI? And if so, if elected, would they (theFG United Ireland party) swear allegiance to the Queen?
Will poor SF ever serve in government?
 

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1921 NI election.

Stoops 12%.
SF 21%.


2017 elections.
Stoops 12%
SF 28%.


Ok the Stoops wernt about in 1921 but the Nat party more or less became the Stoops.


There is feck all votes about when SF get their house in order for other Nat parties.
Ah yes, been a narcissist the security man in Ballycoolin Bus Park who opens and shuts a door for a living has to defend the unionist side !! Rather sad :giggle: 2017 DUP 28%, UUP 13%. The demographics have been done over and over and over by unionists - not narcissists - and they are even inferring it's coming to an end game.

NI in UK could 'depend on Catholic votes' admits Peter Robinson
NI in UK could 'depend on Catholic votes' admits Peter Robinson - BBC News

Catholic pupils now account for 51% of places while Protestants make up 37%
51% of Northern Ireland school pupils are Catholic - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Now 3,2,1 we'll go through the whole rigmarole of "many Catholics wouldn't vote for a UI as the Belfast Telegraph poll states blah, blah,blah" ........ :rolleyes2:
 


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