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FG have the President in the firing line??


dail usher

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In Miriam Lord's column today she picks up on a pattern of FG attacks on the Office of President.

I thought the office was supposed to be beyond party politics, so why is Enda allowing his TDs away with a series of swipes against the office. Is it just his weakness or is it possibly an orchestrated campaign? It's hard to imagine Desay being part of anything organised or arranged by FG, so it must be the former!



Miriam Lord's Week

Trigger-happy FG have President in the firing line - Miriam Lord
What has President McAleese done to annoy Fine Gael? Michael Ring got all hot and bothered recently over Her Excellency’s use of an Air Corps helicopter to get her to the Connacht football final last year.

It was an official engagement, and Mrs McAleese was flown to the stadium in Castlebar having earlier attended the National Day of Commemoration in Dublin. Now Michael’s colleague John Deasy is in on the act.

He tabled a list of questions for written answer this week to Minister for Defence Willie O’Dea, asking how many members of the Defence Forces are required for ceremonial duties involving the President and how much it costs to provide this support.

He mentioned escorts of honour, guards of honour, occasions when ambassadors’ go to the Aras to present their credentials; when heads of State roll into town on official visits and when Herself departs and arrives back in the country after State visits abroad.

Deputy Deasy forgot to mention the Army bands and aides de camp, but Willie threw them in for good measure in his reply. As to the matter of cost, there is no additional outlay as its part of the overall job for members of the Defence Forces.

Why this sudden interest the presidency? Perhaps Fine Gael has its eye on the Aras.

Watch your back, Enda.
 


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In Miriam Lord's column today she picks up on a pattern of FG attacks on the Office of President.

I thought the office was supposed to be beyond party politics, so why is Enda allowing his TDs away with a series of swipes against the office. Is it just his weakness or is it possibly an orchestrated campaign? It's hard to imagine Desay being part of anything organised or arranged by FG, so it must be the former!



Miriam Lord's Week
Or maybe John Deasy just thinks we are paying too much on Presidential Ceremonies?

Not everything has to be a tactical.

FG should be favourite right now to take the Presidency next time, but simple questions like this, don't make that any more likely.
 

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It is questionable whether it is appropriate to impune the office of President in this way. She is our Head of State, and as a figurehead, the holder of the office, other than during a presidential election campaign, should not be dragged into party-politics. I agree though that it comes across as making a play for the office, as the apparent implication is that FG would run the Aras on a "no frills" basis. If so, then that is the silver lining in this cloudy affair, as the people deserve the right to choose their President, rather than another stitch-up by the political-elites as in 2004.
 

dail usher

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Or maybe John Deasy just thinks we are paying too much on Presidential Ceremonies?
These are donme by the army - its not as if someone else is brought in on a contract to do this stuff, so there is hardly any big cost involved, they already have the hats, the uniforms, the bikes, the flags the steyrs etc..

Either way, it doesn't explain Michael Ring's attack a few days earlier....
 

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That would require the sevices of an anthropologist
Ring is not the worst in FG by any means. He's one of the few that has any time for the little man, thats why Inda demoted him a few years back.

I'd have him over the likes of smarmy Varadakar any day. Did you see him on VB recently making a prize t*t of himself during the show that discussed a new book, the subject of which was creating a fairer a society. LV blurted out(despite not being asked at that stage) that he didn't agree with the conclusions of this book - When asked by VB had he actually read he replied: "No actually":rolleyes:
 

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Ring is not the worst in FG by any means. He's one of the few that has any time for the little man, thats why Inda demoted him a few years back.

I'd have him over the likes of smarmy Varadakar any day. Did you see him on VB recently making a prize t*t of himself during the show that discussed a new book, the subject of which was creating a fairer a society. LV blurted out(despite not being asked at that stage) that he didn't agree with the conclusions of this book - When asked by VB had he actually read he replied: "No actually":rolleyes:
didn't see it personally but if he stated that then one must assume that he knew what they were, perhaps he was given a short synopsis of the book and its conclusions, in the same way that talk show hosts get them for the books of their guests, you don't really think that Ross, Ryan, Tubridy & Co actually read them do you ?
 

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didn't see it personally but if he stated that then one must assume that he knew what they were, perhaps he was given a short synopsis of the book and its conclusions,
No - he was just a wall of noise as usual with the swagger of someone who doesn't need to know cos he thinks he's smarter then everyone else:rolleyes:
 

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No - he was just a wall of noise as usual with the swagger of someone who doesn't need to know cos he thinks he's smarter then everyone else:rolleyes:
i would take the view that it was refreshing to have a panelist who didnt susbscribe to the inane belief in equality for a change , we have enough of browne blathering on about it at every opportunity every night , the same vb who goes home to dalkey after the show
 

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The office being outside party politics (whatever that means) would not apply to those who do not occupy it. Respect is earned not assumed. The regard that the state has for an office can be measured by who it has chosen to occupy it. By choosing someone like McAleese that would be none
 

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Mary McAleese is very important to the northern Irish people still ruled by Britain. She has been a voice for us but has also made great efforts to build links with unionist communities. FG should keep their fire for Cowen.
 

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Who would FG rather have as our President: Ruth Dudley-Edwards?!?:lol::lol:

There's a really scathing attack on Mary MacAleese in today's online version of the Indo. It doesn't say who wrote it, but it looks like someone is trying to become a Kevin Myarse clone.

Every head of state from Obama to Sarkozy says something that upsets someone now and then and our President is no exception.But she has never said anything significantly damaging and the alternative Fine Gael seems to want for her is someone who will say nothing, anywhere, ever unless it fits in with their West Brit Celtic cringe fringe philosophy.:lol::lol:
 

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She never shuts up mouthing off how wonderfully PC she is and is obviously laying out her stall for a Post Presso Political Career.

FG are hoping that its one on the International Stage and not here in this State or a position given at the State's Largesse.

If FF are still in Power when she vacates An Aras then she could well be given a plumb position

- that FG reckon would be better filled by one of their own Creatures.:evil:
 

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Who would FG rather have as our President: Ruth Dudley-Edwards?!?:lol::lol:

There's a really scathing attack on Mary MacAleese in today's online version of the Indo. It doesn't say who wrote it, but it looks like someone is trying to become a Kevin Myarse clone.

Every head of state from Obama to Sarkozy says something that upsets someone now and then and our President is no exception.But she has never said anything significantly damaging and the alternative Fine Gael seems to want for her is someone who will say nothing, anywhere, ever unless it fits in with their West Brit Celtic cringe fringe philosophy.:lol::lol:

What in the name of God Is wrong with Fine Gael, they just had their best election ever and then the start shooting themselves in the foot,Leave the president alone,.Pat Rabbitte just said on radio the vote of confidence was a major mistake, I have been saying that since i first heard of it,As reported by Miriam Lord yesterday F.F and Cowen are up and running already when they should be flat out from a knockout punch which they did not get, Fine Gael are useless in the Dail, If they had the countries future at stake they should be chewing at the bit for power.
 

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