FG loses plot with latest HSE initiative???

cabledude

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They have finally lost the plot. Or have they? It has been announced that the HSE are investigating the possibility of installing modular wards (prefabricated buildings) in some of the busier hospitals. These will be used for minor stays, breaks, sprains, antibiotic delivery etc.

HSE staff will have top be persuaded to work in these new buildings.

HSE considering prefabs to ease trolley crisis | Newstalk

Prefabs would contain single en-suite rooms or four bedrooms, all of which would be fitted with standard bathrooms. The modular accommodation would be used for patients who are mobile and need a short stay. This could include patients with minor breaks, those waiting on tests results or those having a course of antibiotics.
Good or bad idea?
 


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Good idea given the lengthy planning process.
 

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Good idea given the lengthy planning process.
Provided they are short term and don't become 'permanent'.

Why do the staff need to be consulted? What difference is it to them? Once it is not going to be a H&S risk, why should they be concerned?
 

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But isn't Liam Doran of the INMO always telling us that there are loads of beds in all the hospitals closed because of the ban on recruitment? If this is true, surely opening closed wards could fix the issue rather than building prefabs that may not be needed?

Or is Liam spoofing?
 

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They have finally lost the plot. Or have they? It has been announced that the HSE are investigating the possibility of installing modular wards (prefabricated buildings) in some of the busier hospitals. These will be used for minor stays, breaks, sprains, antibiotic delivery etc.

HSE staff will have top be persuaded to work in these new buildings.

HSE considering prefabs to ease trolley crisis | Newstalk



Good or bad idea?
The idea that a first-world nation such as ours cannot provide enough beds is a disgrace and the Government and the HSE should be ashamed of themselves. All this petty bureaucratic nonsense, wastage and caudillo posturing leaves only one distinct loser : the patient.

First of all, they need to better support local GPs, many of whom...er... are "forced" to charge €60 per appointment. That discourages a huge amount of low earners to dabble in "quack" cures and leads to many minor ailments becoming major.

Secondly, the idea that we have to pay Junior doctors "€30,000" and then have them write a pathetic letter about how "Bus Drivers should try working our jobs for our pay!" only to realize that perhaps the lads at CIÉ don't have them living in one of the worst countries for healthcare in the West, rather the HSE. That needs to be changed. If we can give every gumbumping, waste-of-space backbench TD €80k+ and extra for advisors and whatever else, we can give our doctors/nurses reasons to stay in the country.

Provided they are short term and don't become 'permanent'.

Why do the staff need to be consulted? What difference is it to them? Once it is not going to be a H&S risk, why should they be concerned?
These matters almost always become permanent. It will be reviewed once, deemed "cost-saving" and then ignored/expanded depending on the way the wind blows.

Gaelscoil Barra was in prefabs for almost thirty years, throughout the boom and bust combined.

Unless there is a political necessity - poor kids from Cabra West do not fall into that bracket - then nothing changes.

In the HSE, nothing changes either way. We don't want to reduce our most vulnerable to glorified shanty towns and call it progress.

But isn't Liam Doran of the INMO always telling us that there are loads of beds in all the hospitals closed because of the ban on recruitment? If this is true, surely opening closed wards could fix the issue rather than building prefabs that may not be needed?

Or is Liam spoofing?
Alan Kelly thinks that De Valera rigged the constitution so that he couldn't build more houses/introduce rent controls.
Bertie Aherne believed that "negative nancies" and their "negative rhetoric" caused the crash.
Mary Mitchell O'Connor believes we should pay expats more money to come home than their non-Expat colleagues.

I wouldn't believe for a second that either the Gov or the HSE would point the finger at themselves for being an embarrassment to this nation.
 

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The HSE should be abolished as it has become a monster without accountability. Let each hospital become an independent unit and self manage. After all, they are best qualified to know the medical needs of their area.

The plus side, most of the civilian staff will lose their jobs.

The HSE, another useless gift from Michael Martin and FF.
 

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We have closed wards , but to increase capacity they are going to open prefabs??

Makes no sense unless you own a company supplying prefabs.

Anyone know anyone who recently bought into prefabs?
 

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The HSE should be abolished as it has become a monster without accountability. Let each hospital become an independent unit and self manage. After all, they are best qualified to know the medical needs of their area.

The plus side, most of the civilian staff will lose their jobs.

The HSE, another useless gift from Michael Martin and FF.
If you honestly think that every member of staff in the HSE is privy to the goings on of the higher up types, then you've lost the plot.

The Irish soccer team was useless five years back. New management, new blood and a bit of genuine leadership and belief turned that all around.

Going full Reagan on an entire entreprise is short sighted and frankly counterintuitive. We want those staff working better, not not working at all.
 

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We have closed wards , but to increase capacity they are going to open prefabs??

Makes no sense unless you own a company supplying prefabs.

Anyone know anyone who recently bought into prefabs?
Well, there was that lad who bought SiteServ, that owned Roankabin who looked like making a pile off the failed modular housing strategy..is that the guy you're thinking of?
 

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The HSE should be abolished as it has become a monster without accountability. Let each hospital become an independent unit and self manage. After all, they are best qualified to know the medical needs of their area.

The plus side, most of the civilian staff will lose their jobs.

The HSE, another useless gift from Michael Martin and FF.
This is version 3 or 4 of a supervisory authority for health and none of them have been terribly good but abolition/restructuring has a habit of making things worse as it reshuffles all the bad parts and people end up less idea what they are doing.
 

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This is version 3 or 4 of a supervisory authority for health and none of them have been terribly good but abolition/restructuring has a habit of making things worse as it reshuffles all the bad parts and people end up less idea what they are doing.
Every initiative the HSE tries is about avoiding the problem areas and not addressing the root cause - no one actually wants to manage, they all want to lead.

With the amount of money flowing into the HSE it should be a first rate system, but instead it's actually multiple, disintegrated, empires.
 

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If you honestly think that every member of staff in the HSE is privy to the goings on of the higher up types, then you've lost the plot.

The Irish soccer team was useless five years back. New management, new blood and a bit of genuine leadership and belief turned that all around.

Going full Reagan on an entire entreprise is short sighted and frankly counterintuitive. We want those staff working better, not not working at all.
The HSE has had quite a few attempts at righting themselves and of reducing numbers. The problem is the package on offer was largely picked up by people who knew they could be employed elsewhere and the dead wood stayed behind. It is not just a management issue. The nature of the PS means that there are people who have been put where they can do no harm.
 

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Every initiative the HSE tries is about avoiding the problem areas and not addressing the root cause - no one actually wants to manage, they all want to lead.

With the amount of money flowing into the HSE it should be a first rate system, but instead it's actually multiple, disintegrated, empires.
It is a world of vested interests but it has almost ended up all about the hospitals, because the other parts of the puzzle are not properly in place. A decent primary care component would go a long way towards helping build a functioning system.
 

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But isn't Liam Doran of the INMO always telling us that there are loads of beds in all the hospitals closed because of the ban on recruitment? If this is true, surely opening closed wards could fix the issue rather than building prefabs that may not be needed?

Or is Liam spoofing?
Liam spoofing? Surely not.
 

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Who's looking to get the contract for these prefabs?
 

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But isn't Liam Doran of the INMO always telling us that there are loads of beds in all the hospitals closed because of the ban on recruitment? If this is true, surely opening closed wards could fix the issue rather than building prefabs that may not be needed?

Or is Liam spoofing?
We have an acute shortage of nurses, do you really believe that's not the case?
 

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Provided they are short term and don't become 'permanent'.

Why do the staff need to be consulted? What difference is it to them? Once it is not going to be a H&S risk, why should they be concerned?
Sure staff are operating in buildings/situations that are in breach of health and safety and it's ignored.
 

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Nothing wrong with prefabs in this day and age. Probably better than many of the decrepit type hospital buildings these days.
 

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Never mind the HSE - this is the poorly qualified Minister directly responsibility for Health in Ireland.
 


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