FG Manifesto will deliver a better Ireland - Kenny

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Paddylekker said:
His answer wasn't too bad. Not great, but not terrible.

O'Rourke threw him a very soft one straight afterwards about how happy his Department of Trade and Tourism and O'Rourke led Enda into a question about how this meant he was so good at motivating people and making things happen.
Not as soft a question as Roisin Duffy posed to him on This Week the day the election was called. She terminated the interview with ...'so in three weeks time will it be Bye Bye Bertie and Enter Enda?" That sure floored Enda. Jeremy Paxman NOT!
 


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Enda was on Garret's front becnh in opposition. You must remember that when Garrett was taosieach, over 20 new FG TDs had just entered the Dail and Enda was still a very young TD in his twenties. He was given a junior ministry and Alan Dukes subsequently had him on the front bench.

Bruton appointed Enda to cabinet as soon as FG regained power and in 1996 he chaired the WTO talks in singapore. Enda has plenty of experience.
 

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ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
Given that under his guidance, after they had dropped from 54 TDs to 31 in the 02 GE which effictively left the party in tatters, they made a recovery only two years later beating FF on the number of seats won in the Euroean elections and their healthy show in the locals. I don't think there is much question over Ends's ability to lead his party, why would he suddenly be unable to fun his government?
 

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Enda was on Garret's front becnh in opposition. You must remember that when Garrett was taosieach, over 20 new FG TDs had just entered the Dail and Enda was still a very young TD in his twenties. He was given a junior ministry and Alan Dukes subsequently had him on the front bench.

Bruton appointed Enda to cabinet as soon as FG regained power and in 1996 he chaired the WTO talks in singapore. Enda has plenty of experience.
Hardly a glittering career. In fact his inexperience comes shining through regularly. Locking A+E drunks in drunk tanks, electronically tagging people he calls thugs, proposing people should have more powers of self-defence against intruders, saying he will force judges to explain themselves if they give lesser sentences than those laid down by politicians. This is just tough talking waffle. He'd be entering a constitutional minefield. But tough talk is all he has. His less than glittering career isn't going to endear him to the people
 

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CJH said:
Mozalini said:
ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
But he wasn't a Minister in 1992?
Learn your party's history
But he wasn't! We weren't in Governement. Sheesh.
 

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Mozalini said:
CJH said:
Mozalini said:
ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
But he wasn't a Minister in 1992?
Learn your party's history
But he wasn't! We weren't in Governement. Sheesh.
Clarified earlier , I was referring to 1995 task force report when enda was tourism and trade minister.
 

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L'Chaim said:
[quote="Fine Gael for government":eek:r2gwm38]Enda was on Garret's front becnh in opposition. You must remember that when Garrett was taosieach, over 20 new FG TDs had just entered the Dail and Enda was still a very young TD in his twenties. He was given a junior ministry and Alan Dukes subsequently had him on the front bench.

Bruton appointed Enda to cabinet as soon as FG regained power and in 1996 he chaired the WTO talks in singapore. Enda has plenty of experience.
Hardly a glittering career. In fact his inexperience comes shining through regularly. Locking A+E drunks in drunk tanks, electronically tagging people he calls thugs, proposing people should have more powers of self-defence against intruders, saying he will force judges to explain themselves if they give lesser sentences than those laid down by politicians. This is just tough talking waffle. He'd be entering a constitutional minefield. But tough talk is all he has. His less than glittering career isn't going to endear him to the people[/quote:eek:r2gwm38]Ah but what about his promise to deal imaginatively and creatively with the nurses dispute when he's in office - can't wait to see him tackle that one in a few weeks time. Nurses I know have great expectations he'll deliver for them.
 

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ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
He was was just recently elected in 81/82 when FG first got into government and FG had a lot of experienced talented politicans at that time. The fact that he was given a junior ministry after only being a TD for about 6 years and with such a large and talented parliamentary party was a achievement and shows that Garret did think highly of him.

Trade and Tourism also wasn't that bad a position. The only FGers who outranked him were John Bruton, Richard Bruton, Noonan, Nora Owen, Jim Mitchell and Dukes and that's not a bad list of people to be outranked by. And also except for Richard Bruton none of those are involved in FG today and haven't already been leader.
 

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Rocky said:
ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
He was was just recently elected in 81/82 when FG first got into government and FG had a lot of experienced talented politicans at that time. The fact that he was given a junior ministry after only being a TD for about 6 years and with such a large and talented parliamentary party was a achievement and shows that Garret did think highly of him.

Trade and Tourism also wasn't that bad a position. The only FGers who outranked him were John Bruton, Richard Bruton, Noonan, Nora Owen, Jim Mitchell and Dukes and that's not a bad list of people to be outranked by. And also except for Richard Bruton none of those are involved in FG today and haven't already been leader.
He only became leader because after the FG meltdown of 2002 he was practically the only one left standing. Who else were they going to elect as leader? Michael Ring his running mate in Mayo? I don't think so, even though that clown regularly out polls Enda. When they elected Enda leader of FG they weren't exactly spoiled for choice were they?
 

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L'Chaim said:
Rocky said:
ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
He was was just recently elected in 81/82 when FG first got into government and FG had a lot of experienced talented politicans at that time. The fact that he was given a junior ministry after only being a TD for about 6 years and with such a large and talented parliamentary party was a achievement and shows that Garret did think highly of him.

Trade and Tourism also wasn't that bad a position. The only FGers who outranked him were John Bruton, Richard Bruton, Noonan, Nora Owen, Jim Mitchell and Dukes and that's not a bad list of people to be outranked by. And also except for Richard Bruton none of those are involved in FG today and haven't already been leader.
He only became leader because after the FG meltdown of 2002 he was practically the only one left standing. Who else were they going to elect as leader? Michael Ring his running mate in Mayo? I don't think so, even though that clown regularly out polls Enda. When they elected Enda leader of FG they weren't exactly spoiled for choice were they?
Richard Bruton, Phil Hogan and Gay Mitchell ran against him. A former Minister for Economics and Enterprise and two Former Junior Ministers. I don't think anyone would debate that Bruton is a very good politican and Kenny managed to beat him, so I wouldn't say it was a case of their being no one else.
 

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Rocky said:
L'Chaim said:
Rocky said:
ditchhurler said:
Anyone hear Sean O'Rourke on the news today ask THE question that Enda should have been asked long time ago. Why if Garret the Good and John Bruton did not think the should have had a senior ministry when he was in Government,why should the electorate trust him with the highest office of all? His main achievement in Government was the Tourism Task Force Report of 1992 - how many posters remember this?
He was was just recently elected in 81/82 when FG first got into government and FG had a lot of experienced talented politicans at that time. The fact that he was given a junior ministry after only being a TD for about 6 years and with such a large and talented parliamentary party was a achievement and shows that Garret did think highly of him.

Trade and Tourism also wasn't that bad a position. The only FGers who outranked him were John Bruton, Richard Bruton, Noonan, Nora Owen, Jim Mitchell and Dukes and that's not a bad list of people to be outranked by. And also except for Richard Bruton none of those are involved in FG today and haven't already been leader.
He only became leader because after the FG meltdown of 2002 he was practically the only one left standing. Who else were they going to elect as leader? Michael Ring his running mate in Mayo? I don't think so, even though that clown regularly out polls Enda. When they elected Enda leader of FG they weren't exactly spoiled for choice were they?
Richard Bruton, Phil Hogan and Gay Mitchell ran against him. A former Minister for Economics and Enterprise and two Former Junior Ministers. I don't think anyone would debate that Bruton is a very good politican and Kenny managed to beat him, so I wouldn't say it was a case of their being no one else.
Yes but Richard Bruton is dull. There was no way he was going to win. He's very loyal and he will be Enda's biggest asset if Enda takes over the running of the country. Richard Bruton is a great man to have on your side, but he's not leadership material. And I never got the impression that Gay Mitchell was that interested in becoming leader. Him, Horgan and Bruton were just there to make up the numbers.
 

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Yes but Richard Bruton is dull. There was no way he was going to win. He's very loyal and he will be Enda's biggest asset if Enda takes over the running of the country. Richard Bruton is a great man to have on your side, but he's not leadership material. And I never got the impression that Gay Mitchell was that interested in becoming leader. Him, Horgan and Bruton were just there to make up the numbers.
Absolutely L'Chaim. they've just been in politics for years, and went for the leadership of a party that had just suffered one hell of a setback, to make up the numbers. Or for the good of their health.

p.ie is getting dumber and dumber as this election wears on...
 

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Enda Kenny today launched Fine Gael's general election manifesto. The key points are:

1. Create health services that work, ensuring that cost and capacity don't prevent people from getting treatment that is high quality, timely and close to home.

2. Make our communities safer by focusing on victims' rights and making life a lot tougher for criminals.

3. Spend taxpayers' money well, getting maximum value and sacking any Minister who spends carelessly.

4. Support families as they deal with challenges of modern Ireland and transform education by incentivising innovation in schools to meet pupils' needs and focusing on outcomes.

5. Build an environmentally-sustainable society, with renewable energy, transport, green housing and reduce our impact on global warming.

6. Lower the cost of living on working families, making childcare, housing, and healthcare more affordable.

7. Cut taxes for all taxpayers, with a focus on relief for families and first-time homebuyers, and ensure Ireland's strong economy and jobs are not put at risk by complacency or lack of competitiveness.

8. Manage Ireland's immigration system in a way that is good for immigrants and good for the Irish by establishing clear rights and responsibilities for immigrants.

9. Protect rural Ireland to ensure vibrant communities, a modern and sustainable farming industry and an equitable distribution of wealth throughout the country.

10. Promote peace on the island, work with our European partners and strengthen our international reputation.


Summary on Fine Gael website

Link to the full manifesto to be added when available
All very worthy I'm sure, though it reads a bit like a CSPE student's exam answer, piously posturing for things being better and against things being worse. This is a quality of all party political manifestos which are frankly unreadable. The exceptions might be the tomes of the SP or SWP (whatever pseudonym the latter is trading under) which would at least make for entertaining case studies in political/intellectual idiocy.

Making overt promises is simply to give hostages to fortune.

The interplay of predatory vested interests muscling to satisfy their agendas and the media’s hysterical manufacturing of crises, scandal and “outrage” will set the agenda for the next govt as it did for the last one, McMillan’s “events” maxim has never been more valid

The ideological “core values” of potential coalition partners can also render manifestos redundant. When it comes to core values, FF has none, and FG has very few, i.e. none. Labour are a combination of realists and the “committed”, while the Greens are full of believers – bless them. Some FG election posters are playing up the party’s supposed law and order credentials. But what good is that when it will end up coalescing with Labour and the Greens, the former in particular being the natural home for the sociological analysis of crime, in which criminals are the victims of the system etc. Michael D. Higgins and John Deasy are as far apart as one can get on this issue. The result of this synthesis? Muddling on through, i.e. business as usual

The new government’s (and it will surely be a rainbow one at this stage) handling of the Shannon “warport” issue will be a font of much entertainment. The Greens could lose their political virginity on this one. Presumably Delicia and Gormless will lead the shrill and hysterical denouncement of the Irish state’s complicity in war crimes etc in Iraq. The Blueshirt’s will surely take a more jaundiced view of the charge, its hard to see them summoning the American Ambassador from his stately lodge in the park to deliver a finger wagging lecture about the USA’s inhuman record in its interaction with other peoples. Roll on the “crisis”.
 

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And now Enda concedes that all his election promises cannot be delivered before the next election (2012). So much for his 'contract with the people', where he pledged that he wouldn't stand as taoiseach if he failed to deliver on his promises. Someone must have explained to him that his promises were unrealistic and he's now looking for a get out clause.
 

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L'Chaim said:
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[quote="L'Chaim":3vz5xzbg]Did anyone see the FG posters with the slogans about being tougher on crime and promising more difficult bail for criminals. Someone needs to explain to Enda about the system of justice we have here called Due Process. Now due process exists everywhere in the developed world and it's based on the idea of an individual's right to a fair and public trial properly conducted, the right to be heard at his trial and the right to an impartial jury.

Someone needs to explain to Enda that in the eyes of the law a person isn't a criminal until after they are convicted, so his tough talk about making bail tougher for criminals is ridiculous. Enda you muppit, they aren't criminals until after they are convicted. In the eyes of the law they are innocent until they are proved guilty, and as innocent people they are entitled to bail.
They are not entitled to Bail unless the judge grants it
And yet he supported that farmer in Mayo who was convicted of manslaughter. So much so that he wanted to introduce a bill proposing that people should have more powers of self defence against intruders. So much for getting tough on crime. Tough on crime unless the crime is in his own county and it's locally popular to support a convicted criminal[/quote:3vz5xzbg]
Yes, tough on Criminals - Easy on the Victims. Was the Farmer a victim in his own property
 

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I like the transport element in the manifesto. The "we'll pack the Port Tunnel" is obvious and makes complete sense, as does the opening of the Phoenix part tunnel during the "big dig" to alleviate Heuston Station.

finally.....someone sees this as a priority.
 


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