FG Proposal To End Employers' PRSI For Workers On €358 Will Increase Wage Rape!

SlickWilly

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I'm sure it is a genuinely meant proposal from the Blueshirts but unless there are controls and stops put in place on this one it will incentivise redneck sleeveen employers, who are on a disgusting horific cycle of wage raping as it is, to continue down this road with the extra 8% bonus or so then in place for those scum! Unbridled capitalism is the term in play here, if it's not carefully implemented, perhaps to new employees only. It could also lead to employees' hours being cut to force them under the amount!
Please be careful on this one and realise the weird breed, ie Irish Employers, your'e dealing with!
 


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Does this mean that those of us under that amount won't get any stamps paid by our employer in effect?
 

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I think the point is astonishingly clear, if PRSI is removed for employers for workers on low wages then those scumbag employers have an extra incentive to lower workers' wages and conditions to take advantage of it at their slaves' expense. Rem it is Ireland we are talking about, hardly an even remotely civilised entity!
 

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I couldn't believe the proposal myself. Expect to see employers reduce fulltime workers to part-time hourds. Its a dreadful proposal which will only enrich the rich even further.
 

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I couldn't believe the proposal myself. Expect to see employers reduce fulltime workers to part-time hours. Its a dreadful proposal which will only enrich the rich even further.
Dont agree, and the title of the OP is childishly offensive. Grow up.

Sure, much of it will be pocketed by employers, no one is suggesting otherwise, but it will also encourage more employers to employ staff. The savings to the exchequer is €198 per week for everyone (of a certain age) off the dole, never mind the spending boost from someone on €330 as opposed to €198 or €100(ish) if young.

I'd rather low pay than no pay.

Any option that makes employment 'cheaper' is going to have a pro and con, this is much better than a min wage reduction. If it doesn't work as planned, they'll cancel it. No big deal. It's worth a shot. The saving to an employer is €30 a week.

I don't think huge abuse of this is likely as there are higher administrative costs to having two staff doing the part time work of one that outweigh the €30 savings.
 

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below is text from FG proposal

The Minimum Wage
Fine Gael will reverse any cut by this Government to the minimum wage. A cut will
make it more difficult for people on welfare to return to work.
As an alternative, Fine Gael will abolish the lower 8.5% rate of employers’ PRSI on
staff earning below €356 per week for at least three years.
This will have the effect of reducing the cost of employing somebody working at the
minimum wage level for 40 hours per week by €30 per week, while also maintaining
the incentive for the unemployed to take up paid work.
 

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Again there is nothing to protect low paid workers from being further reduced re wages and conditions as long as it's not below min wage, the incentive for a scumbag employer to wage rape goodoh is blatantly obvious under this proposal especially to reduce current wages and conditions! BTW you cannot as Biffo seems to think create any incentive for somebody to take up a job by raping wages and conditions for that job in the first place - that's only common sense!
 

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Civilserpant,
rape has many forms and you obviously haven't been subjected to obscene and ever declining wages and conditions re employment in many moons judging by your p!
This proposal is nonsense in its current form!
 

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God forbid that we would try to help SMEs, by saving the employer €30 per week.

Would you prefer if the SMEs went out of business so your "employee friends" could collect the reduced dole ?

Stop generalising in that all employers will pocket something.

No employers No employees.

Keep voting Sinn Fein :(
 

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But why would you enshrine something into any system to encourage and incentivise workers being abused by their bosses (and SMEs are almost always the worst) as this proposal will do?
 

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Stop generalising.

SMEs are mainly small family run businesses.

Do you run a business ?

They dont reduce pay willy nilly. They cant afford to lose good staff. If wages are so poor staff just leave and go elsewhere.
 

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But why would you enshrine something into any system to encourage and incentivise workers being abused by their bosses (and SMEs are almost always the worst) as this proposal will do?
So how the f*ck do you incentivise people to employ staff then???
 

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Stop generalising.

SMEs are mainly small family run businesses.

Do you run a business ?

They dont reduce pay willy nilly. They cant afford to lose good staff. If wages are so poor staff just leave and go elsewhere.
Where? :confused::confused: Where is Upton Park located? Must have a different economic climate to the rest of us!
 

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Right is right,
you can hardly expect anyone to take a job with shight pay and conditions and with the prospect of both of them getting worse and worse at that! And that's when social welfare cuts are taken into consideration - the lot of the low paid worker currently employed sems to be on an ever increasing downward spirral even relative to careerist doleys.This silly FG proposal enshrines this for sure!
 

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I'm sure it is a genuinely meant proposal from the Blueshirts but unless there are controls and stops put in place on this one it will incentivise redneck sleeveen employers, who are on a disgusting horific cycle of wage raping as it is, to continue down this road with the extra 8% bonus or so then in place for those scum! Unbridled capitalism is the term in play here, if it's not carefully implemented, perhaps to new employees only. It could also lead to employees' hours being cut to force them under the amount!
Please be careful on this one and realise the weird breed, ie Irish Employers, your'e dealing with!
Fair comment and I have no doubt that it will happen, some will be doing it for genuine reasons but some will exploit their workers as they could not care less. The problem is with the whole PRSI System. Presently there are 34 classes and each is segmented by earning limits, if you fall into a certain earning bracket you pay that amount, if you exceed it you pay the next bracket on all not just the bit above. The system either needs to be universal or tiered.
 

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A possible tweaking that might prevent this insanity!

With this idiotic proposal, sleeveens have the papal imprimatur and are incentivised to cut current workers' salaries back to min wage or their hours back accordingly for a 3 year period and then if availing of this proposal those sleeveen scum employers are further encouraged by it to never increase an employee's wages as a 1 euro increase for the worker means an 8% prsi charge on the scumbag! The saving amounts to approx 1500 € per annum and we have some employers to paraphrase Noonan on another matter who would knife you in the back of a church for a pound!
Tweaking Suggestion
1 Apply no PRSI to new employees taking on for a 2 year period, this may already exist but it needs to be extended timewise. it's really a no lose situation for the exchequer, if the worker is taken off the live register.
2 Don't have a starting point which is so low , band it for existing workers upto say 550€ per week.
3 time limit it to 3 years.
Please do not incentivise those minority of employers who are scumbags to abuse workers' pay and conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 


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