• It has come to our attention that some users may have been "banned" when they tried to change their passwords after the site was hacked due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software. This would have occurred around the end of February and does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you believe you were affected by this, please contact a staff member or use the Contact us link at the bottom of any forum page.

FG standing for something


Firemonkey

New member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
3
It's time for the opposition to clearly stand for something. It's time for FG to stand firmly on the right side of the Irish political spectrum. With this in mind, FG should take a pro-business approach to the economy. Public sector unions should be curtailed in their pay demands which are adding to Irish uncompetitiveness in the global market; a strong stance on this point would be welcomed by private sectors workers who actually work hard and productively for this economy. You've got to stand for something solid in politics; the politics of the centre is not clear enough for the majority of the electorate.
 

rockofcashel

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 23, 2005
Messages
7,956
Website
www.sinnfein.ie
Firemonkey said:
It's time for the opposition to clearly stand for something. It's time for FG to stand firmly on the right side of the Irish political spectrum. With this in mind, FG should take a pro-business approach to the economy. Public sector unions should be curtailed in their pay demands which are adding to Irish uncompetitiveness in the global market; a strong stance on this point would be welcomed by private sectors workers who actually work hard and productively for this economy. You've got to stand for something solid in politics; the politics of the centre is not clear enough for the majority of the electorate.
They're not FF. Is that not enough for you ingrates ?
 

Kerrygold

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
4,748
For a second there I thought Enda Kenny had made a mind blowing statement about what FG stands for.

Oh well, back to my lair to eat some children I go :twisted:
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
Firemonkey said:
It's time for the opposition to clearly stand for something. It's time for FG to stand firmly on the right side of the Irish political spectrum. With this in mind, FG should take a pro-business approach to the economy. Public sector unions should be curtailed in their pay demands which are adding to Irish uncompetitiveness in the global market; a strong stance on this point would be welcomed by private sectors workers who actually work hard and productively for this economy. You've got to stand for something solid in politics; the politics of the centre is not clear enough for the majority of the electorate.
FF and the PDs occupy the right, it's crowded, you need to move to Social Democracy.
 

Pidge

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 5, 2004
Messages
427
I got me a letter published on this in Village (yay!). Now that I've patted myself on the back, I like the bit of a stand they took on Irish language teaching. It wasn't a major policy, but it showed at least the beginning of an opposition
 

agora

Active member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
106
Website
www.doonesbury.com
Gladstone said:
Firemonkey said:
It's time for the opposition to clearly stand for something. It's time for FG to stand firmly on the right side of the Irish political spectrum. With this in mind, FG should take a pro-business approach to the economy. Public sector unions should be curtailed in their pay demands which are adding to Irish uncompetitiveness in the global market; a strong stance on this point would be welcomed by private sectors workers who actually work hard and productively for this economy. You've got to stand for something solid in politics; the politics of the centre is not clear enough for the majority of the electorate.
FF and the PDs occupy the right, it's crowded, you need to move to Social Democracy.
Exactly, FG should be standing for realistic change, in cooperation with other, likeminded parties. This means standing for hard choices, like proper levels of investment in public transport, education and health and a rollback of the privatisation (in all but name) that is happening in the health, education and general civil service. They should also abandon their pro-military stance and embrace a realistic policy of neutrality which encompasses the historical international role of Ireland in international peace-brokering and diplomacy. These policies may not win them any fans in the rabid right-winger section of YFG, but it has a far better chance of winning floating voters than say, bailing out Eircom shareholders.
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
I actually thought their "beyond neutrality" document was really good, and showed the farce that neutrality (in any form) is.

I don't know of any privatisation going on in education and health?

They got to 70 seats with social democracy before they should try it again.
 

agora

Active member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
106
Website
www.doonesbury.com
Until FG realise that neutrality (which is not the same thing as isolationism) is the only realistic policy for a country of Irelands size and economic resources, they themselves will remain a farce. FF have shown themselves more than ready to pimp Ireland to the war-mongers. FG need to present an alternative platform, whatever the armchair generals think.
 

Pidge

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 5, 2004
Messages
427
They can change their policies all they want, but theyve already got an image of being FF2, the only way that will change is on the doorsteps.
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
agora that is exactly what they have done, they are the only party to have the balls to say we are not neutral, never have been, and should not be, nor can we afford to be as we are totally defenceless.

Neutrality is not even important when most people vote.

The health and education systems will be the biggest issues at the next election, and I'm REALLY looking forward to FG's health plan given how critical they have been of the reform programme.
 

agora

Active member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
106
Website
www.doonesbury.com
How exactly is pandering to the fifth columnists who support the neoconservative wars "having balls". It would be far braver, and certainly more challenging for the mindset of many FG members, to recognise that we have (without bankrupting our economy), no chance whatsoever of making any impact as an internationally committed aggressive military power that would not be hugely offset by the increase in potential terrorism. Now you can argue about the rights and wrongs of international terrorism in a strawman argument if you like, but the reality is that FG plans to abandon neutrality will inevitably increase the chances of Ireland suffering a terrorist attack like Madrid. If that's not an important electoral issue, I don't know what is. Vote Fine Gael, See your family blown up!
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
Really? they advocate joining a collective security arragement.

Two of the biggest NATO members were the strongest opponents of the War, France and Germany.
 

agora

Active member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
106
Website
www.doonesbury.com
Yes, but that's not the role that the armchair generals in FG want us to play. If the people who are driving this policy had their way, Irish soldiers would be torturing and massacring (or as they'd no doubt call it, "liberating"), Iraqis as we speak.
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
They said nothing about supporting the Iraq war.

Don't judge a party by it's posters here.

I don't want us to be prevented from acting in a situation like Bosnia by something imbedded in the consititution.

Nobody is talkin about supporting US-led premptive wars.
 

stringjack

1
Moderator
Joined
Feb 8, 2003
Messages
3,892
How to double the number of PD seats at the next election;

Step 1:

agora said:
Exactly, FG should be standing for realistic change, in cooperation with other, likeminded parties. This means standing for hard choices, like proper levels of investment in public transport, education and health and a rollback of the privatisation (in all but name) that is happening in the health, education and general civil service. They should also abandon their pro-military stance and embrace a realistic policy of neutrality which encompasses the historical international role of Ireland in international peace-brokering and diplomacy. These policies may not win them any fans in the rabid right-winger section of YFG, but it has a far better chance of winning floating voters than say, bailing out Eircom shareholders.
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
That would make the Irish political landscape far more interesting.

Finally the death of civil war politics.
 

agora

Active member
Joined
May 9, 2004
Messages
106
Website
www.doonesbury.com
stringjack said:
How to double the number of PD seats at the next election;

Step 1:

agora said:
Exactly, FG should be standing for realistic change, in cooperation with other, likeminded parties. This means standing for hard choices, like proper levels of investment in public transport, education and health and a rollback of the privatisation (in all but name) that is happening in the health, education and general civil service. They should also abandon their pro-military stance and embrace a realistic policy of neutrality which encompasses the historical international role of Ireland in international peace-brokering and diplomacy. These policies may not win them any fans in the rabid right-winger section of YFG, but it has a far better chance of winning floating voters than say, bailing out Eircom shareholders.
So you honestly think that a commitment to realistic, properly-funded increases in investment in health (with an accomagnied decrease in the bureaucratic nonsense) and education and a move towards European standards of public transport would drive people towards the free-market whackos in the PDs? Interesting.
 

Gladstone

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 10, 2005
Messages
420
Be a little more mature than that, just because they have a diffrent policy platform does not make them whackos.

And they have been in government at a time of huge investment in human services (which in health has done no good because it did not come with reform).

What specific things would you like them to do in Transport Health and Education that you think would attract more votes?
 
Top