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FG TD says "The needs of people with intellectual disabilities are being sacrificed on the altar of the Croke Park Agreement.”


Pudna

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FG TD says "The needs of people with intellectual disabilities are being sacrificed on the altar of the Croke Park Agreement.”

Surprising that this has gone unreported elsewhere, just found it on a google search:

Within the Article FG TD Brian Walsh is quoted saying "The needs of people with intellectual disabilities are being sacrificed on the altar of the Croke Park Agreement.”

Brothers of Charity forced to pay thousands in increments despite looming cuts

Whilst Brian Walsh TD in this instance is referring to people with intellectual disabilities, presumably the same applies across the board for all services to the vulnerable and indeed all services. He is pretty scathing on CPA, which makes one wonder what Minister Howlin was up to earlier this week.
 
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Just as well Minister Howlin is intending on extending the CPA, gravy train rolls on, champagne socialism at its best.

Labour are a sick joke, Howlin, Gilmore, Quinn, Burton, just looking after their own cronies.
 

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A rational new government would review all of the services which government needs to deliver to its people, add in the things which the State does better even if they are merely desirable and work out the most cost effective way of delivering them. Instead it accepts that state workers are unsackable and funds work for them to do whether they are involved in a necessary service or not. Then if there is money left over after paying them, pensioners, public and adopted debt; it funds services to their constituents.

Those will intellectual disabilities are low down that priority list.
 

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Within the Article FG TD Brian Walsh is quoted saying "The needs of people with intellectual disabilities are being sacrificed on the altar of the Croke Park Agreement.”
So, would Brian Walsh TD be willing to add a new tax band on himself and other similarly well-off people of a quarter of one per cent in order to provide funding for needs of people with intellectual disabilities?

Does he spend even fifteen hours per week in the Dail or on committee work? I'd love to see his wages per hour worked. I am willing to bet they are far, far above the highest-paid person in Ireland who works face-to-face with people with intellectual disabilities.

It's a bit like the Pope criticising another person for his lack of sexual conquests.

So he cares enough to sacrifice the incomes of other people, but not enough to pay an extra penny himself.

Wow, what a humanitarian. He's such a giver.
 

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. He is pretty scathing on CPA, which makes one wonder what Minister Howlin was up to earlier this week.
No need to wonder. The PS will vote for Labour and will keep the party afloat.
 

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So, would Brian Walsh TD be willing to add a new tax band on himself and other similarly well-off people of a quarter of one per cent in order to provide funding for needs of people with intellectual disabilities?

So he cares enough to sacrifice the incomes of other people, but not enough to pay an extra penny himself.

Wow, what a humanitarian. He's such a giver.
To be fair, we don't know that that's the case. Maybe it is, but I don't thinks he's come out and said as much.
 

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So, would Brian Walsh TD be willing to add a new tax band on himself and other similarly well-off people of a quarter of one per cent in order to provide funding for needs of people with intellectual disabilities?

So he cares enough to sacrifice the incomes of other people, but not enough to pay an extra penny himself.

Wow, what a humanitarian. He's such a giver.
Did you not read the link?
The complaint is that while services are being cut, that (automatic) incremental pay rises still have to be paid. There is no mention if tax.
 

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Did you not read the link?
The complaint is that while services are being cut, that (automatic) incremental pay rises still have to be paid. There is no mention if tax.
Precisely. The fat cats are being given more cream.
 

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The altar of the bondholders is demanding far more of a sacrifice than any increments paid in the PS.
 

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Did you not read the link?
The complaint is that while services are being cut, that (automatic) incremental pay rises still have to be paid. There is no mention if tax.
So the agreement entered into by the government should be defaulted upon unilaterally? Should we do likewise to our international creditors?
 

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Let's extend that question to every overpaid, expense-account guzzling hack who cries dem crocodile tears over those disabled folks he spends so many hours doing free voluntary work with:

So mate; a new tax band affecting your top-10% income level: one quarter of one percent, going straight to the care of the people you complain about: you in?
 

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Let's extend that question to every overpaid, expense-account guzzling hack who cries dem crocodile tears over those disabled folks he spends so many hours doing free voluntary work with:

So mate; a new tax band affecting your top-10% income level: one quarter of one percent, going straight to the care of the people you complain about: you in?
So the increments can be paid despite the fact we are broke. PS wage packets above all else.
 

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PS wage packets above all else.
Adjusted for inflation, how are post-increment PS wage packets in comparison to those in 2006?

If "PS wage packets above all else" were really a semi-accurate depiction of reality, wouldn't the government be raising wages so that they're back in line with, or even ahead of, 2006?

Or maybe you're just a hate-peddling liar.
 

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Just as well Minister Howlin is intending on extending the CPA, gravy train rolls on, champagne socialism at its best.

Labour are a sick joke, Howlin, Gilmore, Quinn, Burton, just looking after their own cronies.
Labour could'nt give a toss about people with special needs or coping classes unless they are PS. Everyone is suffering for the good of the joke park deal.
 

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Adjusted for inflation, how are post-increment PS wage packets in comparison to those in 2006?

If "PS wage packets above all else" were really a semi-accurate depiction of reality, wouldn't the government be raising wages so that they're back in line with, or even ahead of, 2006?

Or maybe you're just a hate-peddling liar.
Do you think that a service which has been cut by €2m, should be forced to pay €380,000 pay increases?
It is utterly illogical and unfair to my mind. Pay increases in the public or private sector should relate to the funds available not a one size fits all national agreement. Charities have cut the pay and hours of its workforce; why shouldn't a body funded by the taxpayer not be allowed to do the same (subject to individual's contractual rights, relative to their performance) when there are less funds available.
 

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Adjusted for inflation, how are post-increment PS wage packets in comparison to those in 2006?

If "PS wage packets above all else" were really a semi-accurate depiction of reality, wouldn't the government be raising wages so that they're back in line with, or even ahead of, 2006?

Or maybe you're just a hate-peddling liar.
Irrelevant question. The fact is increments are being paid when they should not be. Wages are still high when they should not be. And it is not vis a vis 2006 in the middle of the Celtic Bubble. It is comparisons with other EU nations similar to our own that should be the yardstick.
 

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no politican ever lost his or her seat by ignoring the disabled vote


they could lower the threshold from 700 per week to 500 for the over seventies visa vie medical cards and save tens of millions , their are choices available , unfortunatley the elderly are one of the most powerfull voting blocs in the country
 

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Labour could'nt give a toss about people with special needs or coping classes unless they are PS. Everyone is suffering for the good of the joke park deal.
That's yet another lie.

If all the increments under the CPA were cancelled overnight, let's assume that would cancel €100m of demand from the economy. (If you have more accurate figures, let me know) That would cause €300m worth of economic recession, as the shock waves ripple through the economy.

Suffering caused by spending €100m < Suffering caused by destroying €300m of private sector activity.

You don't give a damn about the suffering of the private sector, you want MORE suffering in the private sector.

The more you cut, the greater the suffering in the private sector, the happier you are.

Stop pretending to care about the private sector workers you falsely claim to want to help. You want to hurt them.

Embrace your sadism. An honest sadist is better than a sadist who pretends he wants to help.
 
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