FG wins case to challenge by-election delays

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That's so pathetic. They'd be better off just waiting till the government move the writs in the new year, instead of trying to jump on the shinner bandwagon. Kenny is a loser
 

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That's so pathetic. They'd be better off just waiting till the government move the writs in the new year, instead of trying to jump on the shinner bandwagon. Kenny is a loser
Why?

It should collapse the government 3 months sooner.

Although the timeframe is a disaster for Fine Gael. The delay imposed by the judge leads to the possibility of Christmas elections and loads more students and young people being at home to vote
 

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That's so pathetic. They'd be better off just waiting till the government move the writs in the new year, instead of trying to jump on the shinner bandwagon. Kenny is a loser
There really isn't any time to lose.
 

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That's so pathetic. They'd be better off just waiting till the government move the writs in the new year, instead of trying to jump on the shinner bandwagon. Kenny is a loser
Whats the FFers' definition of the "new year". Probably means December 2011. (Not that the govt / economy could survive that long) We're not falling for that one!
 
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The sooner we get FF out of goverment the better, and if needed lets force them out, using our courts.
Atleast the courts can give some sense of democracy, now democracy is a forgotten and bold word, that FF run scared from.
 

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Thankfully, our higher courts still have our interests at heart.

Fair play FG. You have my vote.
 

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I have a terrible feeling that Fine Gael are going to lose these...
 

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It shows that at some level within FG there's some political smarts but they're unlikely to repeat the Doherty success.

The state is to appeal the Doherty ruling and will in all probability win and the FG challenges will be not be heard while the appeal is ongoing.
 

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It shows that at some level within FG there's some political smarts but they're unlikely to repeat the Doherty success.

The state is to appeal the Doherty ruling and will in all probability win and the FG challenges will be not be heard while the appeal is ongoing.
Are you sure about that?
 

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It shows that at some level within FG there's some political smarts but they're unlikely to repeat the Doherty success.

The state is to appeal the Doherty ruling and will in all probability win and the FG challenges will be not be heard while the appeal is ongoing.


What is the basis that the state will win the appeal ? The High Court decision seems very reasoned. Looks like they are just playing for time and wasting money on this.
 

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It shows that at some level within FG there's some political smarts but they're unlikely to repeat the Doherty success.

The state is to appeal the Doherty ruling and will in all probability win and the FG challenges will be not be heard while the appeal is ongoing.
They will be heard on Nov 22 and FG have the advantage of precedent, which SF did not and still won.
 

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What is the basis that the state will win the appeal ? The High Court decision seems very reasoned. Looks like they are just playing for time and wasting money on this.
Well, having read it a few times now, I think the Supreme Court might actually uphold the High Court but say that a declaration is as far as the courts can go as giving an injunction, actually forcing the Government to sponser and pass a writ, would be trespassing on the seperation of powers a little too much. In any event, even a declaration would be enough to force the Governments hand. By the time the by-elections are called, as proposed by the Government, would be nearly 15 months in one case and 12 in another. Still an unreasonable delay I would have thought.

The date on the 22nd will not be the hearing, one would have thought, just a preliminary hearing vis exchanging affadavits and naming a date for a hearing, which will get on just before Christmas, probably.

A lot will depend on when, and if, the Supreme Court agree to hear the appeal.
 

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It shows that at some level within FG there's some political smarts but they're unlikely to repeat the Doherty success.

The state is to appeal the Doherty ruling and will in all probability win and the FG challenges will be not be heard while the appeal is ongoing.
The State cannot possibly win the SC appeal.

The Dail moved the writ 24 hours after the judgement, which is an admission of error.

It isn't even clear on what basis the State is appealing the judgement.
 

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The date on the 22nd will not be the hearing, one would have thought, just a preliminary hearing vis exchanging affadavits and naming a date for a hearing, which will get on just before Christmas, probably.
It doesn't really matter. The Dail will never get as far as the Finance Act.
 

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Well, having read it a few times now, I think the Supreme Court might actually uphold the High Court but say that a declaration is as far as the courts can go as giving an injunction, actually forcing the Government to sponser and pass a writ, would be trespassing on the seperation of powers a little too much.
An injunction would never by required.

A Dail acting in violation of a SC judgement would be unthinkable.
 

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That's so pathetic. They'd be better off just waiting till the government move the writs in the new year, instead of trying to jump on the shinner bandwagon. Kenny is a loser
Boring now looking at posters jumping on anything by Fine Gael and laballing them losers. Shows level of intelligence we are dealing with here.

Always negative, always critical, little to offer and throlling.
 

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An injunction would never by required.

A Dail acting in violation of a SC judgement would be unthinkable.
They've been in violation of the X-case judgement for almost 20 years and probably still will be 20 years from now.
 

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They've been in violation of the X-case judgement for almost 20 years and probably still will be 20 years from now.
They haven't been in violation. They just haven't acted on it.

Refusing to move a writ when the SC has indicated that a writ should be moved is entirely different.
 


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