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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.

 


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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.

Do you think the majority of people down here want unification with the north? I am indifferent about and would lean towards not wanting it. They come with too much baggage. Just driving through the place with all the flags and terrorist policed estates would make you puke.
 

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Do you think the majority of people down here want unification with the north? I am indifferent about and would lean towards not wanting it. They come with too much baggage. Just driving through the place with all the flags and terrorist policed estates would make you puke.
I don't think it - I know it.

Have you ever seen a poll/survey that suggested otherwise???
 

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I don't think it - I know it.

Have you ever seen a poll/survey that suggested otherwise???
That's because there still exists a romantic notion of gallant fighters heading across the fields to do battle with loyalists, Brits, Unionists, Prods or whatever you want to call them . And winning. However when the cost in what Americans call " blood and treasure " is laid out, these notions usually vanish like snow off a ditch.
 

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It is the FGicisation of FF with the leath-toiseach trying to be the best little partitonist FGer that he can be. The way that he slapped down O'Cuiv and demoted him from deputy leader over O'Cuiv supporting an SDLP candidate was an indication of how things would go with FF in government. It is like there is an element of FF (the Martinets) frozen in the early, pre-GFA 1990s and they appear dominant in FF at the moment. The political landscape has changed on both sides of the border but they continue as if SF is a small party in the South and a pariah in the North.

Officially, FF supports SDLP but unification is a major threat to the powerbase of both FF and FG in that it will bring in more SF votes. There has been some cooperation between SF and SDLP (voting pacts) and this is quite a change from the past. It went largely unnoticed by the Dublin media but it demonstrated that SF was adapting to new circumstances.

In a United Ireland, SDLP might actually find common cause with centrist and slightly Left of centre parties rather than FF. As for Tommie, he's always been pro-Loyalist and was even lauded by Eoghan Harris (a few years ago in the Sindo) as the right kind of RTEer. Loyalism has always been given an easy time in RTE.
 

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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.

Take no notice of that charlatan....he is trying to be not like Sinn Fein,when in fact he is in a corner....It doesn't matter when he spouts that nonsense on stilts about a 'shared island'....his own also know it's bollox.

These are different times,Nationalists and Catholics are very strong...confident...intelligent...and have a strong political base across wide areas.
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael know it's not a flash in the pan...hence the power grab and merger.
 

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I don't think it - I know it.

Have you ever seen a poll/survey that suggested otherwise???
Those polls never ask either how the respondent would feel about a united Ireland depending on the circumstances by which it came about, or what compromises said respondent is prepared to make for a united Ireland.
 

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That's because there still exists a romantic notion of gallant fighters heading across the fields to do battle with loyalists, Brits, Unionists, Prods or whatever you want to call them . And winning. However when the cost in what Americans call " blood and treasure " is laid out, these notions usually vanish like snow off a ditch.
I know, that Wolfe Tone was some character.


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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.


He is reinterpreting what the principle of consent means. This has been going on for a while. Varadkar started off the same but rowed back a bit when brexit was hotting up. Ahern has been on the same line for years. i suspect this is coming from london. To much risk of chaos for it to be organically coming from here.

For people who pose the question 'would people down here want it'

If this reinterpretation becomes defacto it makes what people down here and what a hypothetical majority in the north want irrelevant.

We could hypothetically have a majority in both jurisdictions on the island in favor of reunification blocked because the consent of one sub group on the island is needed.

Violence is inevitable on this course.
 

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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.

How can a border poll, which is an open-ended vote, be an act of consent?

You can propose marriage to someone, and they might consider it, but that is just consenting to think about the offer, not to accept it. Consent to a border poll is not consent to a united Ireland.

A border poll, if passed on both sides of the border, would only be the start of the Unity process, not its culmination. And there would need to be another vote on the final deal, imho. Otherwise, you are expecting the people of Ireland to buy a pig in a poke, like the hapless English and Brexit.
 

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A border poll can only be called by the UK Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and he or she is unlikely to do so on the say-so of the Taoiseach alone. Consent of the NI First Minister, Deputy First Minister and a solid majority of the NI Assembly would also be a requirement.

We are some way off reaching that condition, and Miheal Martin is being pragmatic and reasonable.
 

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A border poll can only be called by the UK Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and he or she is unlikely to do so on the say-so of the Taoiseach alone. Consent of the NI First Minister, Deputy First Minister and a solid majority of the NI Assembly would also be a requirement.
He/she does not require their consent.

The GFA stipulates as follows:
"the Secretary of State" should call a referendum "‘if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland."

We are some way off reaching that condition, and Miheal Martin is being pragmatic and reasonable.
Really?

 

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A border poll, if passed on both sides of the border, would only be the start of the Unity process, not its culmination.
Both sides of the border?

Are you mixing up the GFA with the border poll?
 

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Yesterday, July 16th - the Mehole visit up north.

Gorman interviewed him - RTÉ Player

Watch this blithering idiot not answer the question - he can't even finish any of the sentences he starts.

Asked about a reunited Ireland, he refuses to answer, and tries to switch the conversation to the GFA.

When told the GFA allows for a border poll, he says "it also allows for consent".

Sweet Jesus Mehole - isn't the border poll an act of consent???

Notice he mentions Mallon at the end - Mallon's idea of consent was getting the consent of a majority of Unionists - not a majority of people in the 6 counties, as made law in the GFA.

This is where the slime-ball Mehole is trying to take us.

This is Fianna Fail - the Republican't Party.


****ing gobshyte , that is only scared of losing even more votes to SF.
 

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A border poll can only be called by the UK Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, and he or she is unlikely to do so on the say-so of the Taoiseach alone. Consent of the NI First Minister, Deputy First Minister and a solid majority of the NI Assembly would also be a requirement.

We are some way off reaching that condition, and Miheal Martin is being pragmatic and reasonable.
You made a wee bit of sense then, you typed that last sentence.

Had you typed it first your post would not have been read.
 

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You made a wee bit of sense then, you typed that last sentence.

Had you typed it first your post would not have been read.
Well, he certainly doesn't seem to remember the palaver around the Unionist veto.

You'd think Brexit never happened in some quarters.
 

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****ing gobshyte , that is only scared of losing even more votes to SF.
He comes across as someone who'd only ever be middle ranking DUP if he lived in the North. He dislikes SF and isn't too keen on the SDLP. In terms of Dublin politics, he's FF's version of Enda Kenny.
 

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He certainly comes across as some who seems to think that the National Question and the Irish Question are interchangeable.
I think that he has some form on that with wanting SF to take their seats in Westminster. He'd have no problem swearing the oath of allegiance as would some FGers. As an FFer, he's a disgrace.
 


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