Fianna Fáil display their undemocratic principles once again?

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FF wants rule changed to cut Dáil speaking time for small parties - Independent.ie

Frustrated that smaller parties and independents get similar speaking times with the big boyos, Fianna Fáil leader, Michael Martin, has openly called for cuts to be applied to their speaking rights (and given to the two larger parties mainly).

Martin, and his backbenchers (including FG TDs, if rumours are to be believed) are chomping at the bit because they don't like the rules the Oireachtas committee - on which they hold a majority - made only last year.

This is not the first time tricky mickey - and others from the Tweedle parties - have proposed this. I s'pose given FF's recent record on holding up democracy in the wake of the economic crash I'm not too surprised he wants to build up some defences on his left flank... by, largely, silencing them.

Should he be told where to go, or is he right to propose the d'Hondt method of allocating speaking rights in proportion to the number of TDs in one's party?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Hondt_method
 
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FF wants rule changed to cut Dáil speaking time for small parties - Independent.ie

Frustrated that smaller parties and independents get similar speaking times with the big boyos, Fianna Fáil leader, Michael Martin, has openly called for cuts to be applied to their speaking rights (and given to the two larger parties mainly).

Martin, and his backbenchers (including FG TDs, if rumours are to be believed) are chomping at the bit because they don't like the rules the Oireachtas committee - on which they hold a majority - made only last year.

This is not the first time tricky mickey - and others from the Tweedle parties - have proposed this. I s'pose given FF's recent record on holding up democracy in the wake of the economic crash I'm not too surprised he wants to build up some defences on his left flank.

Should he be told where to go, or is he right to propose the d'Hondt method of allocating speaking rights in proportion to the number of TDs in one's party?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Hondt_method
The days of FFG having the Dail all to themselves are well and truly over.
It's time these d1ckheads woke up to reality.
 

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"But the idea that people with 46 TDs get 10 minutes and some with four or five TDs gets 10 minutes is not fair," Mr Martin said." "The allocation means that backbenchers from the main parties are routinely excluded from debates while Independent TDs get to speak on most issues. "

It doesn't seem fair. :roll:

They all work hard to get elected.
 

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The days of FFG having the Dail all to themselves are well and truly over.
It's time these d1ckheads woke up to reality.
If Fianna Fáil were a genuine political party they would propose their leader for Taoiseach and seek an agreement with other parties in this venture. It would appear that they will actually endorse Lea instead.

New politics Me-Hole Martin. What a pathetic little man he is. De Bert and Biffo must be having a daily laugh at his antics.
 

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Martin suggests the d'Hondt system should be used for deciding speaking time, time allocated based on the size of a party's representation.

Why not?
 

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"But the idea that people with 46 TDs get 10 minutes and some with four or five TDs gets 10 minutes is not fair," Mr Martin said." "The allocation means that backbenchers from the main parties are routinely excluded from debates while Independent TDs get to speak on most issues. "

It doesn't seem fair. :roll:

They all work hard to get elected.
Not to FF/FG, but to those who elected the smaller parties it is entirely consistent with democracy.
 

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Martin suggests the d'Hondt system should be used for deciding speaking time, time allocated based on the size of a party's representation.

Why not?
Because it will smother the voices of those who disagree with them. Might is not right.
 

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"But the idea that people with 46 TDs get 10 minutes and some with four or five TDs gets 10 minutes is not fair," Mr Martin said."

It doesn't seem fair. :roll:
It is not a football match nor a singing competition. The reality is that [sic] people with 46 TDs should be well able to take the best of their 46 (six would be more than ample) to put forward the view of the party. The clue to all this is "party politics".
 

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Mehole shows his anti-democrat slip again.

Voters are ignorant if they vote SF, Daly-Wallace- C.Murphy shouldn't be heard, FF/Fg/Lab are entitled to preferment, don't rock the Establishment.
 

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If Fianna Fáil were a genuine political party they would propose their leader for Taoiseach and seek an agreement with other parties in this venture. It would appear that they will actually endorse Lea instead.

New politics Me-Hole Martin. What a pathetic little man he is. De Bert and Biffo must be having a daily laugh at his antics.
Not having come across all the Dail members I can't say for sure, but I think the odds are that Martin in is the biggest chancer and serpent in government.
 

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Because it will smother the voices of those who disagree with them. Might is not right.
Hold on, the People elect their representative through a democratic process, there are a considerable number of back benchers silenced from the two biggest parties.

That's neither fair or democratic.
 

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It is not a football match nor a singing competition. The reality is that [sic] people with 46 TDs should be well able to take the best of their 46 (six would be more than ample) to put forward the view of the party. The clue to all this is "party politics".
That's BS. You're favouring a small minority of TD's while disenfranchising a large number of TD's.
 

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What's the objection to using the d'Hondt system?
 

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Mehole shows his anti-democrat slip again.

Voters are ignorant if they vote SF, Daly-Wallace- C.Murphy shouldn't be heard, FF/Fg/Lab are entitled to preferment, don't rock the Establishment.
The "Creep " is pontificating on M.I at the moment.......:mad:
 

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Hold on, the People elect their representative through a democratic process, there are a considerable number of back benchers silenced from the two biggest parties.

That's neither fair or democratic.
But what's the point when they would only be singing from the same party hymn sheet?
 

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Nasty creepy politics by FF again.

Can't win the debates on the issues so have to resort to silencing the debate.

They don't say anything worth hearing with the time they have already so what will be achieved by giving them more time.

They need to stop focusing on their cheap tactics against political opponents and start connecting with the electorate. It seems to be their sole focus.

Cheap. Cheap. Cheap.
 


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