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Fianna Fail, Mary O'Rourke - guilty of treason!

mollox

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Yesterday in his Irish Times column entitled “Demented notions of patriotism”, Fintan O’Toole, with surgical precision, nailed the lie of Mary O’Rourke’s ludicrous charge of “treason” against Enda Kenny, and laid bare the rotten heart of FF’s political culture.

It’s one of O’Toole’s most succinct pieces of work and it should be compulsory reading in every civics class in the state.

I’ve reproduced below some of the more telling comments from O’Toole’s column. (Apologies but I can’t create a link. If someone else can, please do.)

“When Fianna Fáil is in a corner, it tends to reveal itself. An underlying, and perhaps unconscious, world view emerges. It can be summed up in three words: L'etat c'est nous - we are the State.”

“Reinforced by the experience of being an almost permanent party of government, and stripped of its historical and ideological meaning, it becomes the epitome of banana republicanism - the dictator's equation of criticism with treason.”

“Mary O'Rourke was on Newstalk radio's Breakfast Show...She told Ger Gilroy: "Can I say on Enda Kenny, I cannot believe a leader of a very proud party called Fine Gael committed such a disloyal treasonous act? The Taoiseach was out of the country. He was flying the flag for Ireland. As I sit here at my desk, I've a small Irish flag on my desk to remind me of the honour of being a member of the Oireachtas. He's doing business for Ireland, he's flying the flag . . . What has enraged me, absolutely enraged me is the idea that you could commit such an act of treason that you would seek to pull him down while he is away doing the Government's business, the country's business."
As a comic turn, the notion that it is treasonous to raise the awkward issue of Bertie Ahern's finances and tax affairs when he is outside the jurisdiction (including, presumably, when he is Manchester) is good for a laugh. But this "hit me now with the green flag wrapped around me" posture has a serious side.”

“It was Ahern who described Charles Haughey as, of all things, "a patriot to his fingertips". When a man who prostitutes the most important office of State for money is a great patriot and anyone who dares to criticise the Taoiseach's finances is a traitor, the topsy turvy morality of the party stands forward, naked and unashamed.”

“When the party is the leader and the leader is the State, these demented notions of patriotism and treason make some kind of weird sense.
Let's remember what, in this world view, is not treasonous. It is not treason to line your pockets with private donations while you're in well-paid public office.”

“It is not treasonous to accept large sums from private citizens while you are minister for finance. Or to withhold evidence from a tribunal established by the Oireachtas until it discovers it for itself. Or to be unable to produce a tax clearance certificate. Or to state, quite bluntly, that you appoint people to State boards because they are your friends. But it is treasonous to criticise any of these things.”

“If the leader of Fianna Fáil embodies the State, then by definition he cannot dishonour the State. No amount of grubbiness, no extreme of evasion, can be seen as disloyalty to Ireland, because that quality belongs innately to those who are outside Fianna Fáil. And when patriots are traitors and traitors patriots, how can public morality mean anything?”
 


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Mary O'Rourke said:
What has enraged me, absolutely enraged me is the idea that you could commit such an act of treason that you would seek to pull him down while he is away doing the Government's business, the country's business.
:shock: :shock:
Haughey chose to fatally undermine Jack Lynch when he went on a visit to the US. The selective memory they have is absolutely amazing. I'd have thought that on mature recollection she might have remembered it though
 

rockyracoon

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To be fair, while it looks like a well written and timely article, this is not exactly new info. FF and its members have always struck me as the "mise Eire" types. What's more, their electorate probably vote for the party thinking they are in some small way only doing their duty as Irish people; that they identify themselves as a small cog in the much larger machine that is Ireland. If the economy were to go arse over tip tomorrow and an election were looming, FF could count on a solid core of support that might see them in government again.
 
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digoutday said:
the vision of an irish republic is gone, we are not under the control of a power far more dangerous to the people of Ireland than the brits ever were.
err, try an keep a bit of perspective. He's not exactly Sauron now is he?
 
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Well if thats the case - its up to you, Frodo. You'll have to take this Ring, go on a treacherous quest through the scobie infested forests of Gardiner Street, up Dorset Street and across the bridge of despair all the way into Drumcondra. And that's just the start. If you don't flush the Ring down the jacks in Fagan's we're all well and truely goosed.
 

ManOfReason

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Fintan O'Tool finally finds someone he is smarter than - the hapless Mary O'Rourke.

The points he makes are valid, but hardly a revelation to anyone who has been paying attention. Other articles by O'Tool indicate he would have us subjugate ourselves to some socialist mumbo jumbo, rather then nationlist mumbo jumbo. Hardly an improvement.
 

ibis

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Gimpanzee said:
Well if thats the case - its up to you, Frodo. You'll have to take this Ring, go on a treacherous quest through the scobie infested forests of Gardiner Street, up Dorset Street and across the bridge of despair all the way into Drumcondra. And that's just the start. If you don't flush the Ring down the jacks in Fagan's we're all well and truely goosed.
I like it. Better get someone tougher than Frodo, though.
 

mollox

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Gimpanzee said:
Well if thats the case - its up to you, Frodo. You'll have to take this Ring, go on a treacherous quest through the scobie infested forests of Gardiner Street, up Dorset Street and across the bridge of despair all the way into Drumcondra. And that's just the start. If you don't flush the Ring down the jacks in Fagan's we're all well and truely goosed.
If he spewed his ring down the jacks in Fagan's would that suffice?
 
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Hard to tell. Seeing as the Dark Lord has even managed to summon the Lady from the Bath to do his bidding, who knows what it will take to bring him down.
 

Tmesis

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ManOfReason said:
Fintan O'Tool finally finds someone he is smarter than - the hapless Mary O'Rourke.

The points he makes are valid, but hardly a revelation to anyone who has been paying attention. Other articles by O'Tool indicate he would have us subjugate ourselves to some socialist mumbo jumbo, rather then nationlist mumbo jumbo. Hardly an improvement.
What a stunning riposte to the "other articles" of Fintan O' Toole.
 

nawbut

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frodo

digoutday said:
Gimpanzee said:
digoutday said:
the vision of an irish republic is gone, we are not under the control of a power far more dangerous to the people of Ireland than the brits ever were.
err, try an keep a bit of prespective. He's not exactly Sauron now is he?
he's worse.
That would make him Morgoth Bauglir then, but wasnt he cast beyond the Wall of Night into the Numberless Void? Maybe he's back, in which case, unless Enda is among the Ainur who knelt before the feet of Illuvatar the One at the beginning of time, then we are all f.........!

Great article by Fintan (he has to be a Maiar) O'Toole.
 

The OD

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Mary O'Rourke said:
He was flying the flag for Ireland. As I sit here at my desk, I've a small Irish flag on my desk to remind me of the honour of being a member of the Oireachtas. He's doing business for Ireland, he's flying the flag . . .
He was out there to represent specific business interests. To say he was out there representing me is a fcuking joke. As to her comment about having a little Irish flag on her desk - is that how your loyalty is guaged? By little Ireland flags.

Well I have a huge Ireland flag at home and I'm going to drape it across my desk here and if anyone complains, I'll get onto the Star or something to complain that my 'rights' are being trampled on.

Idiot.
 

The OD

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Oh and I wouldnt be comparing the Bert to Sauron - Sauron was much more honest and likeable than the Bert. I'd say the Bert is somewhere between the Dwarves of Moria and Gollum - a love of shiny things and a whiny response to most difficult questions, although at times (like when he was catching fish in the forbidden pond) almost a loveable little scamp.

Mary Harney is Ungoliant the spider (Shelobs ma....)
 


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