Fine Gael - Blue Shirts - Facist Roots

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Is FG the only surviving party in Europe that has this aspect to it's history? Even to this day you still get the Blueshirt jibes at FG. I think they should change their name to lose the stigma. FF may be alot of things but at least there is nothing like that in the back of the closet.
 
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Is FG the only surviving party in Europe that has this asspect to it's history? Even to this day you still get the Blueshirt jibes at FG. I think they should change their name to lose the stigma. FF may be alot of things but at least there is nothing like that in the back of the closet.
No? And where exactly did the IRA spring from? Time to read up on your history before making statements like that.
 

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Let's not forget the active role of the RCC in Ireland in support of Fascism.

No? And where exactly did the IRA spring from? Time to read up on your history before making statements like that.
Care to expand a bit on that?
 

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Odlum, you're a tool.

(Apologies to tools everywhere).
 
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Racists and fascists in ireland today are still more likely to vote Fine Gael than any other party.

The Mayor of Limerick following Varadkar's calls for deportation of immigrants. Another dopey Fine Gael councillor has even called for deportation of EU nationals! Brian Hayes using words like "segregation" when referring to schooling immigrants. The president of Young Fine gael calling for public sector workers to be "locked out".

It's not all a co-incidence you know.
 

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Let's not forget the active role of the RCC in Ireland in support of Fascism.



Care to expand a bit on that?
I am not a supporter of the ideology of any facist movement nor of the blueshirt movement. Especially as O Duffy became more and more of a loose cannon as time went by.

However it is an inescapable fact that the movement as a concept was established in the 30's to counteract the intimidation at rallies etc of the IRA of the time which acted with impunity with the acquiesence of Dev and Co.

Once again I am not criticising as I did not live in that era and have not the right to criticise. The IRA and the ACA (Army Comrades Association) which were the 'blueshirts' were two sides of the same coin in that they were the bodyguards of their respective parties.

The excerpt below from wikipedia which is an excerpt from an excellent historical tome called 'The Blueshirts' gives a succinct analysis and I hope underlines what I believe to be my objectivity.

"The Blueshirts are sometimes described as "quasi-fascist",and the extent to which they can be seen as the Irish equivalent of Hitler's Brownshirts and Mussolini's Blackshirts continues to be debated. They employed paramilitary-style uniforms, greeted each other with the Roman salute, and participated in street fights against the IRA. On the other hand, fascist ideology was not widespread among rank-and-file members, many of whom simply shared an opposition to the IRA, the governing left-of-centre Fianna Fáil party, and contemporary economic policies. The organisation was defensive rather than offensive in outlook, and unlike their European counterparts, members were not known to engage in political terrorism. The historian R.M.Douglas has written: "[M]ost scholars... accept that those who have sought to find in the Blueshirts an Irish manifestation of fascism have been looking in the wrong place".
 

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Don't shoot the messenger. Deal with the issue. It may have been Cosgrave that said in the Dáil, whilst giving the silly salute, that the "Blueshirts would be victorious in Ireland as the Hitlershirts are in Germany". Im not making it up btw - and that piccy is genuine. They are saluting O'Duffy.
 

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Another spastic thread theres about 50 0f these threads all ready
 

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WTF is a facist?

Someone in the cosmetics industry?
 

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Even to this day you still get the Blueshirt jibes at FG. I think they should change their name to lose the stigma.
Fine Gael are proud of their history and the term "Blueshirt" is not an insult.
 

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God yeah

Funny that when it came to the crunch - FG dumped O Duffy and the IRA/Sinn Fein leadership went to Berlin - Sean Russell anybody? and spent the war there ,plotting a German invasion of Ireland - presumably they didn't see anything happening the Jews etc etc while they were there - presumably they fitted right in - being nationalist and socialist and all that

A word to the OP here - please go back on old threads and take it up from there - like this topic hasnt been flogged to death every 3 months since this site started.

anyway times change - Fine Gael has never hidden its roots - an centre right coalition of C Na G (all former Sinn Fein and IRB members) , the farmers party, the National Centre and the remains of the old Nationalist party, some Unionists - Fascism/Corporatism was the all the rage in Catholic countries at the time- Italy,Spain,Portugal, Austria and France - in all those countries and more - former fascists moved into right and centre parties - Francois Mitterrand actually kept moving until he got to the socialist party- as many former communists have done in Eastern Europe since the fall of the wall in 89.

Dwell on and in the past all you want - its the future that concerns me and I judge political parties and movements on what they are doing now and what they are proposing for the future rather than ruminating about the past - its gone - its over
 
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Brian Hayes using words like "segregation" when referring to schooling immigrants.
Hayes immediately withdrew the word "segregation", as it wasn't what he meant in his proposal. Do try and keep up.
 

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"The Blueshirts are sometimes described as "quasi-fascist",and the extent to which they can be seen as the Irish equivalent of Hitler's Brownshirts and Mussolini's Blackshirts continues to be debated.

even so a quasi-facist is still a facist, and you know what they say about facists
 


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