Fine Gael ''minded to back budget' - Sunday Times

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Yesterday evening we revealed a report from today's Sunday Business Post about plans by Lab and FG to support the budget in exchange for a general election. You can read the thread here (which includes comments by FGers saying this was FF kite-flying -those commenters may not want to read any more of this thread...).

Sarah McIerney reports in today's Sunday Times that a number of FG TDs are advocating outright opposition to the budget, whilst other FG TDs are suggesting the party abstain or even support the budget "in the interests of maintaining Ireland's economic integrity".

The piece quotes FG's Jim O'Keefe who told the ST that the party should decide based on what's in the interests of the country, rather than the party. O'Keefe told McInerney that he would be speaking to his colleagues about voting "on the basis of one overwhelming consideration, the national interest".

Frank Feighan is reported as saying "we will do what we think is right by the country".

The piece goes on to quote a member of the front bench who did not wish to be named who said that Labour would oppose the budget regardless, and even if FG supported the budget if it was in the national interest Labour would accuse them of "being in bed" with Fianna Fail.

The unnamed FG frontbencher says the issue of supporting the budget was causing "internal consternation".
 


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Yesterday evening we revealed a report from today's Sunday Business Post about plans by Lab and FG to support the budget in exchange for a general election.

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The piece goes on to quote a member of the front bench who did not wish to be named who said that Labour would oppose the budget regardless, and even if FG supported the budget if it was in the national interest Labour would accuse them of "being in bed" with Fianna Fail.

The unnamed FG frontbencher says the issue of supporting the budget was causing "internal consternation".
Two points, Dave. Firstly, Labour has no "plans ... to support the budget in exchange for a general election." At the very least, that's bad phrasing by you, the SBT or both. On the other hand, your penultimate paragraph lays out Labour's position precisely. It's not a Fianna Fáil budget that this country needs but a general election. Thre'll be no deals on this one, David, as far as Labour is concerned.
 

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But Enda said no today on This Week - so it looks like FF / Greens will have to get the budget through on their own
 

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If FG Support this budget, they will get distroyed in the election. Labour and SF will be the winners
 

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I am in two minds about this - basically FG should do whatever they think is right and forget about what the Labour party is doing. The important thing is that FG spokesmen are open with the public - tell the public the exact truth about our financial situation, what FG are going to do about it and why.

The public want to be told the truth.

The basic question is this - we have 2 choices
- passing the December 7th budget
- a Christmas election and a January FG/Lab or Lab/FG budget
Which option gives the best chance of staying independent and returning to the bond markets next year, or does it make any difference?

Labour are saying that they would only cut 4 billion yet that means in reality handing over to Angela Merkel. In reality, I expect Labour in government would happily cut 6 billion.

The unpalatable choice facing FG is between discredited FF and dishonest Labour.

Having said all that, I think an immediate election is our best hope. A new government with a 5-year mandate, which opens the books, is honest and above board, is our best hope of maintaining our independence. (And FG should make sure during the campaign that voters understand that a vote for Labour is a vote for Angela Merkel taking decisions).
 

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He wasn´t too definite about anything today - I listened carefully to this and I simply could not cut thro the waffle!!
RTE are reporting that Fine Gael will definitely not be supporting the Government's forthcoming budget.

Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny has said his party would not support the Government if it faces difficulty over the forthcoming Budget, and was ready for an election tomorrow if it came.
FG will not support Government over Budget - RT News

This was posted on the RTE News website well before the OP's post on the matter.
 

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Can these people not get their story straight? A shower of chancers and crooks. FG are just another head of the hydra.
 

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Can these people not get their story straight? A shower of chancers and crooks. FG are just another head of the hydra.
This slew of stories in today's papers relating to FG and/or Labour supporting the Government's Budget would appear to part of the same Government's spin campaign attempting to get opposition parties to assume some sort of collective responsibility along with them for the Government's and particularly FF's past mistakes.
 

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spin campaign attempting to get opposition parties to assume some sort of collective responsibility
No spin required, they're clearly enough all the one party, only the media pretending otherwise at this stage really.
 
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This slew of stories in today's papers relating to FG and/or Labour supporting the Government's Budget would appear to part of the same Government's spin campaign attempting to get opposition parties to assume some sort of collective responsibility along with them for the Government's and particularly FF's past mistakes.
There is nobody asking them to accept any responsibility for past mistakes - other than their own. What is being discussed here is the possibility of them taking some responsibility for achieving a solution to our problems as opposed to just pursuing party interests.
 

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There is nobody asking them to accept any responsibility for past mistakes - other than their own. What is being discussed here is the possibility of them taking some responsibility for achieving a solution to our problems as opposed to just pursuing party interests.
But it is based on the belief that FF are doing the right thing in the budget? Are they? If so why not re-elect them?
 
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But it is based on the belief that FF are doing the right thing in the budget? Are they? If so why not re-elect them?
I think there are two issues relating to the politics of the situation. Some believe their policies are wrong and will vote against them on this basis. Others believe they are pursuing the correct policies to solve our economic woes but still need a kicking for the mess they made in contributing to the problem in the first place. Broadly, I would imagine that FG believe that the policies are right and it is on this basis that they would be justified in supporting the budget in the national interest.
 

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FG is fooked if it makes its decisions based on what Labour thinks, but as another poster said -there seems to be very little difference at this stage between the three main party's and their 4 year plans for hostile budgets!
 
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FG is fooked if it makes its decisions based on what Labour thinks, but as another poster said -there seems to be very little difference at this stage between the three main party's and their 4 year plans for hostile budgets!
FF and FG are largely in agreement but Labour are talking about a lower adjustment and a different mix of taxes and cuts.
 

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There is nobody asking them to accept any responsibility for past mistakes - other than their own. What is being discussed here is the possibility of them taking some responsibility for achieving a solution to our problems as opposed to just pursuing party interests.
With neither FG or Labour having been in Government since 1997, what past mistakes by either party might have contributed to our current economic difficulties, it's a bit of a stretch even for FF spin doctors to attempt to lay the blame for these problems on policies implemented at least thirteen years ago.
The majority of the Irish electorate would appear to have decided, judging by recent opinion polls, that FF and the Green party do not have have policies that would solve our current difficulties so by opposing the FF/Green budget opposition parties would be taking responsibility for achieving a solution to our problems by allowing the electorate to decide which direction they want to take with a General Election.
 

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If FG Support this budget, they will get distroyed in the election. Labour and SF will be the winners
Whatever about Labour being the winners in the next election I don't think even the Irish electorate would be daft enough to give SF big gains in the next GE.
 


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