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Fine Gael put "national debt clock" on website.


spotty

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I do not propose to post a link to that website from these parts, but I note that Fine Gael have added a clock to their homepage which purports - I stress the word - to count the monies being added to the national debt by the Government's national restoration plan.

We can therefore take it that this clock is being endorsed by Fine Gael.

Since the infamous day when they took a shilling off the old age pension, through the historic display of meanness that was the attempt to tax childrens shoes, and right up till this moment, Fine Gael have been a party that simply do not want to spend money.

They have repeatedly shown, throughout their history, that they will begrudge a pensioner a few pence and a child a pair of shoes because they are so mean.

Once again today, we are seeing evidence of the party's historic meanness. This national debt is essential to pay for essential services, including the Dáil, local councillors, údarás na Gaeilge, and a range of other bodies. Without us incurring this debt, there are countless men and women who would go hungry. Banks would collapse. The airport would close. The EU would throw us out. The GAA would see attendances plummet. The average joe could no longer buy a pint.

This debt is keeping us in business. The fact that Fine Gael are attacking it is evidence that they would sooner see people starve than spend the money necessary. But sure we knew that. The pensioners knew it back in 1930.
 


johntrenchard

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since i'm not a fine gaeler - nor connected to any party whatsoever , i think it might be reasonable enough for me to link to the site

http://finegael.ie/


if this is against the rules, then i apologise. ( and feel free to edit my post p.ie admins..)


good move on fine gaels part. put the estimate is actually too low.

The Bank for International Settlements estimated that our total liabilities are $840 BILLION.

PDF report here:
http://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qt1009b.pdf

scroll down to page 16. far right column : theres the 800 billion figure.
 

flavirostris

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Hear hear spotty. Only Fianna Fáil should be entrusted with the national purse strings. Nobody can accuse them of being stingy when it comes to doling out public money.
The others might want some kind of fiscal rectitude..imagine what a disaster that would be for the country.
 

johntrenchard

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"Fine Gael have been a party that simply do not want to spend OTHER PEOPLES money"

corrected that for you.

so you're whole argument is based around Fine Gael being fiscally responsible?

Keep posting my friend - because the more you post, the more votes will head towards Fine Gael. Are you sure you're not some Enda Kenny plant?
 

louis bernard

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I do not propose to post a link to that website from these parts, but I note that Fine Gael have added a clock to their homepage which purports - I stress the word - to count the monies being added to the national debt by the Government's national restoration plan.

We can therefore take it that this clock is being endorsed by Fine Gael.

Since the infamous day when they took a shilling off the old age pension, through the historic display of meanness that was the attempt to tax childrens shoes, and right up till this moment, Fine Gael have been a party that simply do not want to spend money.

They have repeatedly shown, throughout their history, that they will begrudge a pensioner a few pence and a child a pair of shoes because they are so mean.

Once again today, we are seeing evidence of the party's historic meanness. This national debt is essential to pay for essential services, including the Dáil, local councillors, údarás na Gaeilge, and a range of other bodies. Without us incurring this debt, there are countless men and women who would go hungry. Banks would collapse. The airport would close. The EU would throw us out. The GAA would see attendances plummet. The average joe could no longer buy a pint.

This debt is keeping us in business. The fact that Fine Gael are attacking it is evidence that they would sooner see people starve than spend the money necessary. But sure we knew that. The pensioners knew it back in 1930.
Are you a genuine idiot or are you just having a laugh? I sort of suspect the latter and fair play to you, god knows we could all do with a laugh.
 

spotty

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Hear hear spotty. Only Fianna Fáil should be entrusted with the national purse strings. Nobody can accuse them of being stingy when it comes to doling out public money.
The others might want some kind of fiscal rectitude..imagine what a disaster that would be for the country.
Precisely. Some people talk about balancing the budget - but to accomplish such a heinous feat, one would have to slash public spending, and reduce the size of the state. Irish people simply cannot survive without the state.
 

johntrenchard

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got a point there Louis - this HAS to be a spoof. laughing my ass off here.

spotty must be a fine gael troll. has to be.

( if he's not and genuine fianna fail, then we really REALLY are fcked as a country..)
 

johntrenchard

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"Irish people simply cannot survive without the state borrowing money from the Germans and paying it back at sky high interest rates."

corrected that for you.
 
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This is a new low for Irish politics, spotty, a new low. Debt clocks should be apolitical, and the debt clock is something I previously had a lot of respect for, before it engaged in this sort of irresponsible partisan point scoring. The world is watching us.
 

flavirostris

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Precisely. Some people talk about balancing the budget - but to accomplish such a heinous feat, one would have to slash public spending, and reduce the size of the state. Irish people simply cannot survive without the state.
Not to mention a lot of Fianna Fáil supporters & hangers-on would be kicked out of their publicly-funded jobs. That would be a disaster for the party and as I'm sure you're aware, what's bad for the party is bad for Ireland etc.
 

anfieldabff

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Spotty the complete FF idiot

This guy really has a problem, if he cannot see that we are back at the 1980's only much worse. Ok spotty you are great on the history of FG, now what happened in the early 80's? Your great leader CJH told us all we were living beyond his means and that we would have to have a series of hairshirt budgets sponsored my Mac The Knife Mc Sharry. This was while he was indulging a mistress and getting his bespoke Charvet Shirts. Now FG may be tight with the public purse strings but they are not corrupt and have not sold the future of our children and their children to German bond holders.
Lets have the list again of upstanding FF members, CJH, Rambo Burke, Liam Lawlor RIP, Bertie Aherne, off shore account holder Foley, oh and that current star of the show Ivor Callely.
I am sure some of the current crop will in the future join the list, (Fahy is evens favourite in my book)
Just go, for gods sake go.
 

spotty

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This guy really has a problem, if he cannot see that we are back at the 1980's only much worse. Ok spotty you are great on the history of FG, now what happened in the early 80's? Your great leader CJH told us all we were living beyond his means and that we would have to have a series of hairshirt budgets sponsored my Mac The Knife Mc Sharry. This was while he was indulging a mistress and getting his bespoke Charvet Shirts. Now FG may be tight with the public purse strings but they are not corrupt and have not sold the future of our children and their children to German bond holders.
Lets have the list again of upstanding FF members, CJH, Rambo Burke, Liam Lawlor RIP, Bertie Aherne, off shore account holder Foley, oh and that current star of the show Ivor Callely.
I am sure some of the current crop will in the future join the list, (Fahy is evens favourite in my book)
Just go, for gods sake go.
In actual fact the 1980s was dominated by a coalition of the far right and the far left - Labour and Fine Gael. They ran the country into the ground. It took unprecedented patriotism and determination by the Fianna Fáil party to pull our nation out of a tailspin and back on the road to growth and prosperity.

And we did it all without a national debt clock, I'll have you know.

There can be no doubt that we live in challenging times.

The collapse of Lehman brothers and the global financial crisis caused by George W Bush damaged Ireland greatly.

These past few years have required every Irishman to strain every sinew and stretch every muscle and bear every load conceivable.

We in Fianna Fáil have taken the hard decisions. Some of them have been painful.

But we have done so without shirking our sacred duty - people before party, state before self, the national interest before the popular choice.

Now, we are finally seeing that those hard decisions are paying off. Our bonds are oversubscribed. The international markets have confidence. The jobless rate is levelling out. The country is has been dragged by sheer force of will out of its tailspin and into a gentle glide.

Now is the time to fire up the engines of recovery. Now is the time to shoulder the burden of initiative. Now is the moment to renew ourselves once more.

The corner has been turned. The nation saved from oblivion. Fianna Fáil has performed it's sacred duty once more. On to prosperity.
 

trekkypj

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Oh gods...

Words. just. fail. me.
 

Ulster-Lad

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The collapse of Lehman brothers and the global financial crisis caused by George W Bush damaged Ireland greatly.
In fairness, Bush finished his term with 2 years of a Democratic Congress that was making all the decisions and doing the spending. Bush's problem was he did not want to veto anything.
 

anfieldabff

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Jesus spotty your a gas man!!!

In actual fact the 1980s was dominated by a coalition of the far right and the far left - Labour and Fine Gael. They ran the country into the ground. It took unprecedented patriotism and determination by the Fianna Fáil party to pull our nation out of a tailspin and back on the road to growth and prosperity.

And we did it all without a national debt clock, I'll have you know.

There can be no doubt that we live in challenging times.

The collapse of Lehman brothers and the global financial crisis caused by George W Bush damaged Ireland greatly.

These past few years have required every Irishman to strain every sinew and stretch every muscle and bear every load conceivable.

We in Fianna Fáil have taken the hard decisions. Some of them have been painful.

But we have done so without shirking our sacred duty - people before party, state before self, the national interest before the popular choice.

Now, we are finally seeing that those hard decisions are paying off. Our bonds are oversubscribed. The international markets have confidence. The jobless rate is levelling out. The country is has been dragged by sheer force of will out of its tailspin and into a gentle glide.

Now is the time to fire up the engines of recovery. Now is the time to shoulder the burden of initiative. Now is the moment to renew ourselves once more.

The corner has been turned. The nation saved from oblivion. Fianna Fáil has performed it's sacred duty once more. On to prosperity.[/QUOTE

Ok Spotty now can you tell me which party has been in power for the last 10 years and which party has put us on the road to oblivion. You seem to have conveniently ignored the corrupt members of the party!!! What was the CJH qoute on being ousted ," I have done the State some service, but enough of that"
History of course has proved otherwise, unfortunately history will also prove your other diatribe equally false
 

breakingnews

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I do not propose to post a link to that website from these parts, but I note that Fine Gael have added a clock to their homepage which purports - I stress the word - to count the monies being added to the national debt by the Government's national restoration plan.

We can therefore take it that this clock is being endorsed by Fine Gael.

Since the infamous day when they took a shilling off the old age pension, through the historic display of meanness that was the attempt to tax childrens shoes, and right up till this moment, Fine Gael have been a party that simply do not want to spend money.

They have repeatedly shown, throughout their history, that they will begrudge a pensioner a few pence and a child a pair of shoes because they are so mean.

Once again today, we are seeing evidence of the party's historic meanness. This national debt is essential to pay for essential services, including the Dáil, local councillors, údarás na Gaeilge, and a range of other bodies. Without us incurring this debt, there are countless men and women who would go hungry. Banks would collapse. The airport would close. The EU would throw us out. The GAA would see attendances plummet. The average joe could no longer buy a pint.

This debt is keeping us in business. The fact that Fine Gael are attacking it is evidence that they would sooner see people starve than spend the money necessary. But sure we knew that. The pensioners knew it back in 1930.
FG are the main opposition party. They have a duty to highlight these things.
 

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