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Firefighters allow home, pets to burn because of unpaid fee.


Green eyed monster

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In a town in Tennessee a man who forgot to pay his fire protection service fee implored and pleaded with watching firefighters as his home burned to the ground, with his dog and cats inside...

Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever necessary costs had to paid but his offer wasn’t accepted. Firefighters did eventually show up but only to put out the fire on the neighboring property as sparks caused a small fire in the field next to the Cranicks. That owner apparently paid the fee.

"They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said.

Reportedly the fire fee policy is close to 20 years old

Read more: Firefighters Allow Home, Pets to Burn Because of Unpaid Service Fee | AHN
Tragic indictment on US society IMHO. Is this the future of privatisation? Will they privatise police next and then (depending on fee paid or not) refuse to help citizens in trouble if they don't appear on a list of fee payers?

There is another question, how could they be certain nobody was inside? Can you really be certain... In Ireland if there is any out of control fire the fire brigade go out automatically because such things are by definition potential health hazards. The system that places financial deals and systems above people means that if any of the watching firefighters had intervened it probably might have cost them their jobs.

He should have lied and said a relative was inside, could we see a day when that wouldn't affect their decision not to put out the fire? It's a dystopian hole the US seems to be sliding towards - might we follow suit (now that our economy is entering cash-strapped mode and neoliberalism is waiting to 'transform' us)?
 


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Don't tell Wicklow Town/County Council... they'll model their already disgraceful service on this.

Edit - this is in no way a slur on the excellent fire service staff/volunteers in the county
 

Cael

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Thats the logic of capitalism for you. Yes - it's obscene.
 

Aindriu

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I sincerely hope the police are taking action over this!
 

edor

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I think it's more the logic of idiots than an ideology Cael.
 

antiestablishmentarian

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I think it's more the logic of idiots than an ideology Cael.
Its not though, if a fire service is being run for profit why should they bother to put out the fire of someone who hasn't paid for the service? Thats how capitalism works, appealing to the lowest, basest and most vile motive of all, that of profit.
 

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Why would anyone be surprised at this? The US is a country that argues that a child with a pre-existing illness should not be entitled to healthcare. Household pets burning to death even as the neighbours beg to pay the fee to the firefighters for the householder is something half that country would be proud of. Fox news commentator was in full "serves 'em right" mode over this story.
 

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Libertarianism, not capitalism. The people of Tennessee have voted for the extent of the state services they have, in return they have some of the lowest taxes in the US.
 

Cael

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I think it's more the logic of idiots than an ideology Cael.
The logic of idiots is a perfect description of capitalism.
 

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Will they privatise police next and then (depending on fee paid or not) refuse to help citizens in trouble if they don't appear on a list of fee payers?
You poor innocent little lamb.

You obviously know nothing about the relatioship between police departments and organised crime syndicates in the U.S.

Firefighters in New York and Chicago during the 19th century often turned up at fires to steal valuables rather than put out fires.

It is said that some of the dead firefighters recovered from the WTC had diamonds in their pockets.
 

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How about nobody pays any fees until they actually have a fire. Then when there is no fire department anymore from lack of funds, we will all be equally at risk. And of course we will all blame someone else for our actions.

It’s somewhat the same situation where I live. None of my taxes pay for fire protection as it's all volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods. We all know the rules and the risks. I take responsibility for my decisions and actions, and write the check to the fire department every January. Call me crazy.
 

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Libertarianism, not capitalism. The people of Tennessee have voted for the extent of the state services they have, in return they have some of the lowest taxes in the US.
Strange and tragic none the less, What sort of people would want to become fireman under such a system? Wither society.
I think that the more i hear the less i Believe Europe has to learn from the US, we should not try and compete in the world on taxis alone we have to believe that sociaty itself is more importent. (well we dont 'Have to' but you know.)
 

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You poor innocent little lamb.

You obviously know nothing about the relatioship between police departments and organised crime syndicates in the U.S.

Firefighters in New York and Chicago during the 19th century often turned up at fires to steal valuables rather than put out fires.

It is said that some of the dead firefighters recovered from the WTC had diamonds in their pockets.
Thats an absolutaly disgraefull thing to put in, lots of stupid people say lots of stupid things. I am presuming that this is based on no more than that.
 

yellowfish

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How about nobody pays any fees until they actually have a fire. Then when there is no fire department anymore from lack of funds, we will all be equally at risk. And of course we will all blame someone else for our actions.

It’s somewhat the same situation where I live. None of my taxes pay for fire protection as it's all volunteer fire departments in my neck of the woods. We all know the rules and the risks. I take responsibility for my decisions and actions, and write the check to the fire department every January. Call me crazy.
No I would call that system crazy, surely no one could support a system where pets are burnt and lives put at risk because of a householders budgeting decision.
 

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No I would call that system crazy, surely no one could support a system where pets are burnt and lives put at risk because of a householders budgeting decision.
Goober is one of those Americans who would see healthcare denied to a child so you are wasting your time.

And Redclaw - yellowfish is right. That was a disgusting comment about the first responders.
 

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No I would call that system crazy, surely no one could support a system where pets are burnt and lives put at risk because of a householders budgeting decision.
Tennessee is one of those hotbeds of support for the Tea Party. These people don't like the "guvmint" interfering in their "freedoms".
 

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I sincerely hope the police are taking action over this!
Whose police force do you think is there? If town X has a fire service, it is also likely to have its own police service.

The U.S. has three tax systems:
Income Tax pays for the federal government functions.
Turnover Tax on goods and services purchased in, say, Tennessee pays for the State's responsibilities.
Each Town, City, County, raises taxes through the equivalent of Rates, except that it also takes into account factors such as the number of cars parked outside the front door (discs issued for each one), etc. There may be some local authorities that itemise the services provided and the amount due per function.

The owner of the property may have chosen to limit his tax exposure by choosing to NOT pay for fire services.

I recall, in the hot and heady days of the Cold War, individuals seeking (publicity stunt of course) to have the element of their tax that would fund the U.K.s 'nuclear deterrent' deducted from their liabilities as they did not subscribe to M.A.D.- mutually assured destruction. How would they have fared, had the Russians invaded W. Germany?

Anyway, when I was a child (in the '60's), a fire broke out in our house. Two tenders attended. As the equipment used was being tidied up, my father asked the senior fire officer in attendance if he should be giving him a cheque to cover the call-out. "Not at all" was the response "It's covered by the Rates". Today, an element of my household insurance premium goes to cover Fire Brigade costs- to the tune of €1,500- "should a bill be issued"!

Bring back local government taxes so that such services are provided across all those living in a given functional area.
 

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You poor innocent little lamb.

You obviously know nothing about the relatioship between police departments and organised crime syndicates in the U.S.

Firefighters in New York and Chicago during the 19th century often turned up at fires to steal valuables rather than put out fires.

It is said that some of the dead firefighters recovered from the WTC had diamonds in their pockets.
Wow. This is by far the most obscene post on this site. I knew some of the lads killed on 9/11 and everyone of them was 10 times the man you will ever be you jumped up little keyboard warrior arse hole. 343 firefighters died that day trying to save thousands. Do you think they took time to go looking for safes to break into? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? I suppose it is too much to ask for you to withdraw that statement
 

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You poor innocent little lamb.

You obviously know nothing about the relatioship between police departments and organised crime syndicates in the U.S.

Firefighters in New York and Chicago during the 19th century often turned up at fires to steal valuables rather than put out fires.
I am well aware of it (there is a good scene in the film Miller's Crossing that parodies this - and of course Gangs Of New York), and the thief takers that preceded it in the UK which ended when they realised that these were criminals who were stealing the items themselves and then setting up innocent people for the crime.

Jonathan Wild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't really blame the firefighters as such (although i would like to think i would have put it out myself anyway, and if i had i would be a hero what with all the notoriety the story is collecting) as it is against THE LAW for them to have put out the fire. Couldn't some compromise be arranged at least that they put out the fire and then charge them completely the full cost of the operation including wages etc... afterwards? This is what they do in Australia apparently.
 

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