First Irish ultra nationalist since the 1930's to address ultra nationalist mass rallies in Europe.

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It's all they have, the rest of us are eu globalists, traitors to Ireland etc etc. The electorate won't fall for this bullshit, Imo. As a shinner I've been called many things, an anti Irish communist is a new one.
What a bellend.
Any day now
 


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Utter bullshit, the EU is a union of like minded countries who want to prosper in a peaceful democratic manner.
The EU is not perfect, nothing is. Ireland has prospered in the EU. Indeed, we have done so well we are now net contributors. What is your alternative, what went before the EU wasn't great.
If you support Ireland being subordinate to a political Union

- then you are a Unionist!

SF are now a Unionist Party

Tossers!
 

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If you support Ireland being subordinate to a political Union

- then you are a Unionist!

SF are now a Unionist Party

Tossers!
You're just being stupid now, according to your logic the vast majority of Irish people are now unionist. Sigh, ffs.
 

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Possibly. Or republican Frank Ryan perhaps? And there are a number of other possibles.
You are very confused. Frank Ryan, Sean Russell et al were Republicans.

The only Fascists in Ireland were Fine Gael and its supporters.

Frank Ryan fought against the Fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

Fine Gael Fascists fought side by side with the German Nazis and Spanish Fascists during the Spanish Civil War.
 
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You are very confused. Frank Ryan, Sean Russell et al were Republicans.

The only Fascists in Ireland were Fine Gael and its supporters.

Frank Ryan fought against the Fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

Fine Gael Fascists fought side by side with the German Nazis and Spanish Fascists during the Spanish Civil War.
In the video of the OP, Niall did not refer to Irish "fascists" attending the mass rallies in the Europe of the 1930's, he referred only to Irish "nationalists". And what do we mean by the term "Republican" anyway? Most would say a "Republican" is basically an extreme or ultra Nationalist. So Frank Ryan was indeed a possibility in this term. And also, his strong socialist views would align him with the second predominant aspect of the pathological mass populism that rose in the Germany of the 1930's, nationalist socialism. Only, when I google it now, I see he only began working for Hitler's military intelligence agency, Abwehr, and conniving to get Welsh and Scottish nationalist groups on Hitler's side, in 1940, after getting out of prison. So, it's probably not him.
 

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In the video of the OP, Niall did not refer to Irish "fascists" attending the mass rallies in the Europe of the 1930's, he referred only to Irish "nationalists". And what do we mean by the term "Republican" anyway? Most would say a "Republican" is basically an extreme or ultra Nationalist. So Frank Ryan was indeed a possibility in this term. And also, his strong socialist views would align him with the second predominant aspect of the pathological mass populism that rose in the Germany of the 1930's, nationalist socialism. Only, when I google it now, I see he only began working for Hitler's military intelligence agency, Abwehr, and conniving to get Welsh and Scottish nationalist groups on Hitler's side, in 1940, after getting out of prison. So, it's probably not him.
The thing is that Capitalism and the current system of Democracy we have, have utterly failed the West; you only have to look at the photographs of the savage atheistic hipsters celebrating the legalization of infanticide during a demographic crisis to see this, indigenous Westerners are now by and large not interested in ideas and actually thinking things out- you this rejection of intellect frequently on this forum- and so are reduced to completely unrefined emoting and animalistic sensation fed to them by the capitalist entertainment industry. These so called adults are actually on a lower scale of being that a well brought up Christian or Muslim child. Can these people really be counted on to make decisions in a rational and just manner? Than you have Capitalism's failure to deal with the housing crisis and the increasingly precarious nature that people find themselves in economically. I have come across young Irish lads who tragically do have a soft spot for Hitler and while I work to persuade them out of it I can understand somewhat where they are coming from- just look at the aesthetics of "Panti Bliss", the glory of the regime, and than look at the aesthetics of "Triumph of the Will". Plus it is clear to them that they are living in a dystopian nightmare and a dystopian nightmare which sets up Hitler as it's polar opposite which gives the adoption of him as a role model a perverse attraction.
 

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The thing is that Capitalism and the current system of Democracy we have, have utterly failed the West; you only have to look at the photographs of the savage atheistic hipsters celebrating the legalization of infanticide during a demographic crisis to see this, indigenous Westerners are now by and large not interested in ideas and actually thinking things out- you this rejection of intellect frequently on this forum- and so are reduced to completely unrefined emoting and animalistic sensation fed to them by the capitalist entertainment industry. These so called adults are actually on a lower scale of being that a well brought up Christian or Muslim child. Can these people really be counted on to make decisions in a rational and just manner? Than you have Capitalism's failure to deal with the housing crisis and the increasingly precarious nature that people find themselves in economically. I have come across young Irish lads who tragically do have a soft spot for Hitler and while I work to persuade them out of it I can understand somewhat where they are coming from- just look at the aesthetics of "Panti Bliss", the glory of the regime, and than look at the aesthetics of "Triumph of the Will". Plus it is clear to them that they are living in a dystopian nightmare and a dystopian nightmare which sets up Hitler as it's polar opposite which gives the adoption of him as a role model a perverse attraction.
These women and their supporters were not celebrating that.

They were celebrating a victory for women's rights in the historical context of a patriarchal, cold, uncaring priest-infested establishment in this country subjugating all their own choice and considerations in these matters, in the process engendering countless personal tragedies and horror stories.

Now that is how they framed it. You are of course free to frame it in your own manner of "the legalization of infanticide during a demographic crisis" and so on.

Just don't pretend these women framed things in your own manner, and then proceed to demonise them on the basis of the projection of your mindset onto theirs etc. They are not you. Probably very far from it, thankfully.

You're big on the projections, aren't you though. :rolleyes:
 

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In the video of the OP, Niall did not refer to Irish "fascists" attending the mass rallies in the Europe of the 1930's, he referred only to Irish "nationalists". And what do we mean by the term "Republican" anyway? Most would say a "Republican" is basically an extreme or ultra Nationalist. So Frank Ryan was indeed a possibility in this term. And also, his strong socialist views would align him with the second predominant aspect of the pathological mass populism that rose in the Germany of the 1930's, nationalist socialism. Only, when I google it now, I see he only began working for Hitler's military intelligence agency, Abwehr, and conniving to get Welsh and Scottish nationalist groups on Hitler's side, in 1940, after getting out of prison. So, it's probably not him.
So Hitler was a socialist and as a Irish Republicans are Nazis. Hasbra aint what it used to be.

'Getting out of prison' is one way of describing it ffs
 

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He has you rattled anyway!:LOL:
Not even slightly. I'm delighted the remnants of the Irish religious right are rallying round these chancers as opposed to being useful.
 

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So Hitler was a socialist and as a Irish Republicans are Nazis. Hasbra aint what it used to be.
I never referred to the term "Nazi", I pointed to the element of intense nationalism.

And Hitler certainly made popular appeal to socialism and anti-capitalism as well as nationalism, knowing its populist appeal.

Read his speeches to witness the abundant socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering, miserable lower middle classes.

And keep your antisemitism to the anti-Israel threads, dickhead.
 

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I never referred to the term "Nazi", I pointed to the element of intense nationalism.

And Hitler certainly made popular appeal to socialism and anti-capitalism as well as nationalism, knowing its populist appeal.

Read his speeches to witness the abundant socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering, miserable lower middle classes.

And keep your antisemitism to the anti-Israel threads, dickhead.
Frank Ryan was not a nationalist. Your briefing notes are faulty. Its always the same with you, your core point is interesting and valid, then you tangent it off into some Israeli proxy thing and get abusive.

Are you still being sued over your behaviour on other sites?
 

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Frank Ryan was not a nationalist. Your briefing notes are faulty. Its always the same with you, your core point is interesting and valid, then you tangent it off into some Israeli proxy thing and get abusive.

Are you still being sued over your behaviour on other sites?
Nonsense. If you want to look at an up dated version of Frank Ryan and the entire Republican Congress than just take a look at Tadgh Gaelach.
 

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These women and their supporters were not celebrating that.

They were celebrating a victory for women's rights in the historical context of a patriarchal, cold, uncaring priest-infested establishment in this country subjugating all their own choice and considerations in these matters, in the process engendering countless personal tragedies and horror stories.

Now that is how they framed it. You are of course free to frame it in your own manner of "the legalization of infanticide during a demographic crisis" and so on.

Just don't pretend these women framed things in your own manner, and then proceed to demonise them on the basis of the projection of your mindset onto theirs etc. They are not you. Probably very far from it, thankfully.

You're big on the projections, aren't you though. :rolleyes:
The thing is that you respect those savage undignified thots just as much as I do- the difference between us, and it is a very fundamental one, is that I am of good will towards them. They are flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone, but outside of that reality I don't like to see anyone being destructive towards self or others. I didn't pretend for one moment that those thots framed it as I have done, however objectively that is what they were indeed doing, and lets face it they have been so retarded, brutalized and dumbed down that they are not in a situation where they are capable of framing much at all in a rational thought out manner. You come close to admitting this yourself when you state; " in the process engendering countless personal tragedies and horror stories." Hard cases make bad laws is a concept most people get by the time they are eighteen, Remember also the pro-abortion on demand in the middle of demographic crisis campaign had a logo like a sweet wrapper aimed at little girls, do you remember that fact? This is the point where Capitalist Democracy has brought us. Niall maybe a bit of a gobshyte however he realizes that we have serious problems- in fact we face an unparalleled crisis. For all his silliness he is a Prophetic voice.

Now I could comment a lot on the underlined above and here it is most definitely you who are entering into projections (who was it who said that nearly everything the Zion-nazis accuse the indigenous Palestinians of if you examine things you find them guilty of themselves?) however yes "old Ireland" indeed left a lot to be desired in part because of the crushing of the National Revolution and in part because of the infiltration and degradation of the Priesthood by the homosexual sons of big farmers and capitalists who were more interested in serving their own social class than serving Christ Crucified. However the Ireland being created by Godless Capitalist Democracy is significantly more cold, uncaring and sick. These savage atheistic Democrats might not be hitting kids in Industrial Schools however, and this really is grotesque, they have their own kids actually taking up knives and other sharp objects and carving up their arms- it is bad enough hitting kids but to get them to stab and carve their on skin and muscle? Now that is really sick and that is your secular Capitalist Democracy. They also get their own kids to starve themselves (sometimes even to death). This is the "New Ireland" that those thots were celebrating.

The number of people self-harming in Ireland is continuing to rise

Self-harm among youth surges 22%

10,000 hospitalised due to self-harm

And on the starving themselves, though I suspect you may well support the Pro-Ana movement in the interests of a "tolerant, open" society:

Surge in teenage girls being hospitalised for eating disorders

Pro-ana - Wikipedia
 

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In the video of the OP, Niall did not refer to Irish "fascists" attending the mass rallies in the Europe of the 1930's, he referred only to Irish "nationalists". And what do we mean by the term "Republican" anyway? Most would say a "Republican" is basically an extreme or ultra Nationalist. So Frank Ryan was indeed a possibility in this term. And also, his strong socialist views would align him with the second predominant aspect of the pathological mass populism that rose in the Germany of the 1930's, nationalist socialism. Only, when I google it now, I see he only began working for Hitler's military intelligence agency, Abwehr, and conniving to get Welsh and Scottish nationalist groups on Hitler's side, in 1940, after getting out of prison. So, it's probably not him.
You are totally confused. You are intent on slinging mud, but not smart enough to make it stick.

On the one hand, you claim Ryan was a possibility - but on the other hand, you claim it's probably not him.

Frank Ryan, Sean Russell et al were Republicans, not Fascists - they were in Germany working for Ireland against our historical and hereditary enemy, England.

The only Fascists in Ireland were Fine Gael and its supporters.

Frank Ryan fought against the Fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

Fine Gael Fascists fought side by side with the German Nazis and Spanish Fascists during the Spanish Civil War.
 

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You are totally confused. You are intent on slinging mud, but not smart enough to make it stick.

On the one hand, you claim Ryan was a possibility - but on the other hand, you claim it's probably not him.

Frank Ryan, Sean Russell et al were Republicans, not Fascists - they were in Germany working for Ireland against our historical and hereditary enemy, England.

The only Fascists in Ireland were Fine Gael and its supporters.

Frank Ryan fought against the Fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

Fine Gael Fascists fought side by side with the German Nazis and Spanish Fascists during the Spanish Civil War.
Again, we're not talking about fascism. Niall in the video refers to "nationalist" rallies, not "fascist" rallies. And also recalling that if we're trying to ascertain here if history may be repeating itself, the early Nuremburg rallies for example were about nationalism - they were about the Ruhr, or Austria, being cut off from the Reich, and vows that foreigners would be expelled and the German people reunited etc. One early Nuremburg rally was even themed "Day of Awakening" which is the same as the "red pilling" you hear Irish ultra nationalists today go on about. The overt fascist themes of state power superceeding and assimilating the individual came later. Nationalism was the element promoted earlier on. And listen, I'm not trying to sling mud, I only raised Republican extreme nationalism because of the partisan point scoring against "blue shirts" etc. I don't really give a toss about either one, I dislike the politics of both pretty equally.
 

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Again, we're not talking about fascism. Niall in the video refers to "nationalist" rallies, not "fascist" rallies. And also recalling that if we're trying to ascertain here if history may be repeating itself, the early Nuremburg rallies for example were about nationalism - they were about the Ruhr, or Austria, being cut off from the Reich, and vows that foreigners would be expelled and the German people reunited etc. One early Nuremburg rally was even themed "Day of Awakening" which is the same as the "red pilling" you hear Irish ultra nationalists today go on about. The overt fascist themes of state power superceeding and assimilating the individual came later. Nationalism was the element promoted earlier on. And listen, I'm not trying to sling mud, I only raised Republican extreme nationalism because of the partisan point scoring against "blue shirts" etc. I don't really give a toss about either one, I dislike the politics of both pretty equally.
Quit digging.

You are the one who referred to the far right mass rallies of the 1930's - and as I say, they were Fascist.
 
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That would probably be the leader of Fine Gael.

Fine Gael were set up as a Fascist political Party in 1933 - its first Führer was Eoin O'Duffy.

It's amazing really how the 'Southern Ireland' State has white-washed Fine Gael's real history - not a word about it at school.
There were plenty of words about it at school. Where did you go to school and did you attend history class?
 

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Quit digging.

You are the one who referred to the far right mass rallies of the 1930's - and as I say, they were Fascist.
If the OP is making a comparison between O'Duffy and this Niall guy - then yes he's talking about Fascism O'Duffy was the head of a kind of Fascist International for a while in the mid 30s.
 

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In the video of the OP, Niall did not refer to Irish "fascists" attending the mass rallies in the Europe of the 1930's, he referred only to Irish "nationalists". And what do we mean by the term "Republican" anyway? Most would say a "Republican" is basically an extreme or ultra Nationalist. So Frank Ryan was indeed a possibility in this term. And also, his strong socialist views would align him with the second predominant aspect of the pathological mass populism that rose in the Germany of the 1930's, nationalist socialism. Only, when I google it now, I see he only began working for Hitler's military intelligence agency, Abwehr, and conniving to get Welsh and Scottish nationalist groups on Hitler's side, in 1940, after getting out of prison. So, it's probably not him.
Does this knuckledragger think the Nazis were socialists?
 


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