Flying and The Green Agenda

Zach Dingle

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Ciara Kelly had a piece on this today on her show, sorry I can't post a link @ the mo.

She had Cuff on telling us that around 25% of the time he intends to go by ferry and choo choo to The Euro Parliament and will stay over occasionally.

The poll show indicated that over 80% of the respondents would not give up flying for environMENTAL reasons!:)

But one consideration that hasn't been aired is that the lovlies and the great and good can easily afford massive hikes in airfares especially if paid for by us, but they also have much more, vastly more holiday time, so they can the odd time take a ferry, a coach a choo, ordinary folk don't have the level of holiday time!

Also we live on a fúcking island off an Island not on a continental land mass!
 


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Why doesn't cuffe use a video link?

Doesn't seem right, flying or taking the ferry, if you're in the green party.
 

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Yeah, we have discovered The Internet, Web Conferencing etc!
No need for any junketeering and associated expenses.
They should be all mandated to work from their local offices with salaries and perks slashed!
But that's the last thing, you will ever see!
 

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If the planet was as truly frucked as everyone claims you would have every major airline grounded.
Didn't the Greens tell us before they joined up with Bertie @ Biffo's Crew last time out that we had 10 years to save the planet, now apparently it's 12 years!:rolleyes:
 

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AirBnb has probably caused more atmospheric damage around Europe and North America in the last decade or so than flights to Las Palmas in the 1970s.

When you think of it the heyday of the great ocean liners was probably way less damaging than some of the bucket air-carriers of today.

Always fancied going across the Atlantic, if going at all, by ocean liner.

But returning from that muse, it will be interesting to see how governmental authorities go about discouraging air travel generally over the next decade or two. I'm not going into acquiring a new specialisation in amateur meterology in order to join the statistical battles going over Climate Change and that whole debate.

I was fairly convinced a while back that we do have a major existential risk on the horizon as regards the health of the planet. From my own assessment of the information available I think it would be best and most logical to take the view that such a risk exists.

If I turned out to be wrong and Gaia mysteriously one day awakes, coughs all the ozone away, yawns and a fresh comfortable atmosphere is immediately apparent, then I would be more than happy to apologise to Messrs Esso and its various recruited cohorts.
 

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If I turned out to be wrong and Gaia mysteriously one day awakes, coughs all the ozone away, yawns and a fresh comfortable atmosphere is immediately apparent, then I would be more than happy to apologise to Messrs Esso and its various recruited cohorts.
Don't worry, it's all going to be pumped up and burned sooner or later.

Can you see dubai in 2040 thinking, "ok guys, we've had a good lash, but we can't run our air con any more from solar, so let's go back to living in hot tents and herding goats."
 

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I suspect technological solutions will arise as the need becomes greater and more obvious.

A thought that re-occurs to me occasionally is that most people can date the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and indeed the invention of early machinery such as the Spinning Jenny is taught in history classes as a spark-point.

But we speak of the Industrial Revolution as if it was a thing of the past and I'm not sure I could point to any development which signalled the end of that revolution.

Indeed we may still be in it, I'd suggest.

Some challenges have arisen in terms of the damage to our environment, on which we are still dependent upon, for the lack of alternative locations. Great dark satanic mills of industry and the by-product of the heavy industrial processes being regarded as somehow neutral in effect on our climate is I think increasingly unsupportable as a philosophy.

Rather than be a harbinger of doom I see also a couple of positive dynamics which are worth thinking on. One benefit of the Industrial Revolution and its current phase poised between the abstract and the quantum is that we have a powerful habit of applying technology to resolve problems we ourselves create.

The second is the indomitable will of the human species when confronted with a threatening existential risk. There will in this regard be a tipping point and that may be upon us, where the concentration arising out of agreement that such a risk exists may bring startling insights towards resolution.

My theory is that we are at a pivotal moment (reasons for thinking that probably more appropriate for another thread). Pivotal in the next stage of our Industrial Revolution and the confluence of vast processing ability plus convergence of digital technology with the advent of AI and robotics may provide us with the tools we need to bring down that great shaggy bison of a risk with our newer and better spears.

My money is on the indomitable human surmounting any risk. That has been our history as a species and I don't see that changing.
 
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Ciara Kelly had a piece on this today on her show, sorry I can't post a link @ the mo.

She had Cuff on telling us that around 25% of the time he intends to go by ferry and choo choo to The Euro Parliament and will stay over occasionally.

The poll show indicated that over 80% of the respondents would not give up flying for environMENTAL reasons!:)

But one consideration that hasn't been aired is that the lovlies and the great and good can easily afford massive hikes in airfares especially if paid for by us, but they also have much more, vastly more holiday time, so they can the odd time take a ferry, a coach a choo, ordinary folk don't have the level of holiday time!

Also we live on a fúcking island off an Island not on a continental land mass!
It would be novel if establishment propagandist, Kelly, said, 'well, I'm giving up flying, it is to save the planet afterall, so NO MORE flying for me'.

Now that would be real statement that she actually believes the bullsh1t she (and Gov/RTE) talks about 'climate change'.

Ordinary folk need to use a sensible rule of thumb, when the TDs and their msm shills say they will give up flying and driving and become vegan THEN and only then need we take them at their word.

If they don't actually do something about this 'climate change then we can take it they are just bullsh1tting as per usual :LOL:
 

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People won't stop flying. We live in the 21st century not the 19th.
 

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Stopping the plebs from flying through massive hikes in flight costs would be ideal for The Green Fellow Travellers as they won't be meeting Paddies abroad on their many holies and junkets!
 

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It would be novel if establishment propagandist, Kelly, said, 'well, I'm giving up flying, it is to save the planet afterall, so NO MORE flying for me'.

Now that would be real statement that she actually believes the bullsh1t she (and Gov/RTE) talks about 'climate change'.

Ordinary folk need to use a sensible rule of thumb, when the TDs and their msm shills say they will give up flying and driving and become vegan THEN and only then need we take them at their word.

If they don't actually do something about this 'climate change then we can take it they are just bullsh1tting as per usual :LOL:
If you can't trust politicians, who can you trust!
 

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It was gas watching the various Climate Change conventions gather in the likes of Rio & Cancun pontificating to the rest of us. In this day & age they can video conference but there is no duty free with that j guess!!
They know better than all of us, kind of like others who were preaching the end is nigh in the past!
 

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Ciara Kelly had a piece on this today on her show, sorry I can't post a link @ the mo.

She had Cuff on telling us that around 25% of the time he intends to go by ferry and choo choo to The Euro Parliament and will stay over occasionally.

The poll show indicated that over 80% of the respondents would not give up flying for environMENTAL reasons!:)

But one consideration that hasn't been aired is that the lovlies and the great and good can easily afford massive hikes in airfares especially if paid for by us, but they also have much more, vastly more holiday time, so they can the odd time take a ferry, a coach a choo, ordinary folk don't have the level of holiday time!

Also we live on a fúcking island off an Island not on a continental land mass!
he fly and argue for a aviation fuel tax in the parliament
 

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I hope they put up the taxes on flying.

Aviation wasn't for slum dwellers back in the day. Now any scumbag can get on a Ryanair flight if they have 20 euro to spare.

Lot at the birkenhead scum in this video. Loads of them ten years on the Dole before Thatcher came to power.






I remember my old mate Bronco804 was working as a site engineer in Kirby back in 80s on social housing projects. Within 3 months of the job being finished the locals would block up the sewers so they go on the housing list. They wanted to go back to the city centre.

Are these the type of people who should be let anywhere near an aircraft?
 
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There have always been apocalypse cults. Sometimes mainstream, sometimes fringe. This is ours. Sadly, very mainstream. And proto-fascist.

If humanity decarbonizes it will be through massive deployment of direct air capture technologies. We will never stop burning stuff. Fire defines our species.

Bullshít “renewables” will never decarbonize a complex civilization like ours.

Egged on by vested interest slime balls in the EU, IRELAND is pissing away billions finding that out.

That I can tell you.
 

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Carbon tax on airplane fuel is the obvious solution, but it would have to be co-ordinated, because otherwise the planes would tend to refuel elsewhere.

I see Sweden climate girl Greta Thunberg is setting off across the Atlantic in a small boat to attend a climate conference in the USA.
Not safe or comfortable, especially this late in the year, with storms coming in earlier than usual this year as we start to approach the autumn.

If she survives, and gets there, I hope the other delegates on this junket are thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Really somebody from child protection services should have a word with the parents. When was the last time she attended school?
Unfortunately the Swedish social services seem to have have become so left wing that they can't see the wood for the trees.
This girl is not a hero of green/left political movements. She is a victim of their hypocrisy.
Due to her autistic tendencies, she has taken their narrative seriously, even when the rest of them don't.

...two weeks travelling across the North Atlantic on a boat with no toilets, kitchens or privacy.
 

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People won't stop flying. We live in the 21st century not the 19th.
Should we ban all business class flights, now that we've had the ability Skype and teleconference for a long time?

In truth there is bugger all reason why anyone should fly across the Atlantic for a meeting.

Ex-girlfriend of mine worked for a major pharma company. Half her team were based in London, the other half in the States somewhere. So what the company did was to arrange team meetings alternating in location between the US and the UK. So basically they had people either flying across the Atlantic one way or the other each month just to have a team meeting.

Personally I'd like to see whoever organised that taken out and shot in a field for expensive stupidity. On grounds of cost-saving alone.
 


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