Fogra Tora, alleged collusion claims...

between the bridges

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A CONFIDENTIAL garda document containing photographs and personal details of two alleged loyalists ended up in the hands of the IRA, the Smithwick Tribunal heard yesterday.

The IRA later killed one of the men and unsuccessfully attempted to kill the other.

The IRA told a Derry Journal reporter several days after the murder that they were in possession of the Fogra Tora alleging Mr Sproule had been suspected of being involved in attacks on businesses in Donegal, and showed the reporter a photocopy of the document.

Garda document ended up in hands of the IRA - Local - Belfast Newsletter

anyone for a bad apple theory...
 


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Quelle suprise .
 

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And yet,

However, the day before the IRA announced they did not get the report from the Gardaí but from a store of information in Spoule's house.

The Fogra Tora is not only circulated among garda stations but also to other police forces including the then RUC.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0328/smithwick-tribunal-criticises-gardai-psni.html

So evidence that supposedly shows IRA collusion actually was obtained from the house of a loyalist. I suppose loyalist terrorists were colluding with the Gardai if they were able to obtain their intelligence briefings before the IRA.

Whoops! Another own goal by our laptop loyal chums. :lol:
 

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And yet,



Smithwick Tribunal criticises garda & PSNI for failing to disclose a secret investigation - RT News

So evidence that supposedly shows IRA collusion actually was obtained from the house of a loyalist. I suppose loyalist terrorists were colluding with the Gardai if they were able to obtain their intelligence briefings before the IRA.

Whoops! Another own goal by our laptop loyal chums. :lol:
oh do at least try ren, the IRA say it wasn't the garda so that means it must be true? hmmm so extending your logic you obviously accept any UVF statement on such matters? remind me about that own goal...
 

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oh do at least try ren, the IRA say it wasn't the garda so that means it must be true? hmmm so extending your logic you obviously accept any UVF statement on such matters? remind me about that own goal...
The Fogra Tora was also circulated to the RUC at the time, and considering that there is widespread evidence of collusion between the RUC and loyalist terrorists it stands to reason the UVF obtained this intelligence document from the British security apparatus.
There is next to no evidence of collusion between the Gardai and the IRA, apart from rumour and conjecture. I have no reason to dismiss the claims by the IRA that the Fogra Tora was obtained from the home of a leading loyalist.
 

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The IRA had an elaborate intelligence system that spanned Ireland, Britain and America. The organisation was not dependent on sources within the Gardai to furnish information on well known lowlife unionist killer squads, the IRA knew all about these drunken louts.
 
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The Fogra Tora was also circulated to the RUC at the time, and considering that there is widespread evidence of collusion between the RUC and loyalist terrorists it stands to reason the UVF obtained this intelligence document from the British security apparatus.
There is next to no evidence of collusion between the Gardai and the IRA, apart from rumour and conjecture. I have no reason to dismiss the claims by the IRA that the Fogra Tora was obtained from the home of a leading loyalist.
Shouldn't be too difficult to post a link showing this widespread evidence.
 

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The Fogra Tora was also circulated to the RUC at the time, and considering that there is widespread evidence of collusion between the RUC and loyalist terrorists it stands to reason the UVF obtained this intelligence document from the British security apparatus.
There is next to no evidence of collusion between the Gardai and the IRA, apart from rumour and conjecture. I have no reason to dismiss the claims by the IRA that the Fogra Tora was obtained from the home of a leading loyalist.
oh FFS!! well apart from the fact that they claimed to have shot him because he was named in the report they found at his house after they shot him you mean? do try and keep up chara...it's all there in your own link...He was shot by the IRA, which claimed that he was involved in a bombing campaign in Donegal.
To prove this the IRA produced a copy of a garda record, a Fogra Tora, to a reporter showing that Spoule was wanted for questioning about the attacks.
A second man, Glen Monteith, who was also identified in the record, escaped a shooting attempt by the IRA on the same day.
The RUC contacted the gardaí and on 19 April then Chief Supt Noel Conroy was sent to investigate the allegations.
However, the day before the IRA announced they did not get the report from the gardaí but from a store of information in Spoule's house.
 

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There is an easy way for this to be resolved - if the PSNI/RUCactually cooperate with an enquiry for a change
you might have missed it but the inquiry is about what happen to two officers who did cooperate with the garda...
 

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