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For all those who see the USA as the wonder country - read on!


Aindriu

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This article truly shows the reality of life for many in the US. What sickens me is that there are so many on here who want Ireland to go the same way! As a civilised society we have a duty to ensure that those who find themselves unemployed through no fault of their own - as the mother in this article did - are not left impoverished to the point the family in the article are.

Shame on America and shame on those who want us to go the same route.

Child poverty in the US has reached record levels, with almost 17 million children now affected. A growing number are also going hungry on a daily basis.Food is never far from the thoughts of 10-year-old Kaylie Haywood and her older brother Tyler, 12.
At a food bank in Stockton, Iowa, they are arguing with their mother over the 15 items they are allowed to take with them. There is little money to go shopping for extras.
Apple sauce is in, canned vegetables, tinned spaghetti, meatballs and ravioli might be.
Kaylie wants a decent education, so that she will not go hungry in future
But when Kaylie asks for ground beef, she is overruled as their motel room does not have a fridge to keep things fresh - just a sink filled with crushed ice. There's nowhere to cook, either.
It's not the first time that the family has struggled to get hold of the food they would like - or enough of it.
"We don't get three meals a day like breakfast, lunch and then dinner," says Kaylie. "When I feel hungry I feel sad and droopy."
BBC News - The children going hungry in America
 

luvmycountry

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Nobody here wants to go the same way as the USA, but there is a lot of room in the middle from where we are.

All people want here is to get the freeloaders out of the system so that they system can take care of those who really need it.
 

Analyzer

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Where is former Ponzi Democrat leader, Sumo these days ?
 

meriwether

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There's a middle ground between impoverishing people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, and offering an incentive to those who can work to make them work.

I was in a city centre pub last friday at 3pm (day off) for a pint before an early dinner.

There was approx 12-15 males in there, drinking and watching the racing. By 4pm, when I left, one of them was singing 'take me up to Monto'.
 

southwestkerry

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If the number living in Ireland was as near the number in the US [you know what I mean so dont get smart] I think you would find we would be as bad or worse than that already.
Their are just too many needing looking after over their. That is the problem.
 

Aindriu

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I was in a city centre pub last friday at 3pm (day off) for a pint before an early dinner.

There was approx 12-15 males in there, drinking and watching the racing. By 4pm, when I left, one of them was singing 'take me up to Monto'.
Like you they could have been on a day off. You cannot generalise in that way.

We have no-one to blame but ourselves for allowing a situation whereby those who refuse to take paid work still get benefits. The answer is possibly to carry out a review of all those who have never worked and then call them all in for interviews to explain why they haven't. In the event of no shows, the benefits are ended immediately.
 

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Like you they could have been on a day off. You cannot generalise in that way.

We have no-one to blame but ourselves for allowing a situation whereby those who refuse to take paid work still get benefits. The answer is possibly to carry out a review of all those who have never worked and then call them all in for interviews to explain why they haven't. In the event of no shows, the benefits are ended immediately.
I've seen lot of comments and anecdotes regarding this issue.

Apart from people assuming other people are unemployed and not simply on a day off too, there are people who will refuse to accept there aren't enought jobs out there. Added to this you will always get a number of people unemployed as we had even in the so-callod "boom", for what ever reason.

I have a solution for the Government that will please many in Ireland and on here....

Cut social welfare.... pick a number or percentage and cut it. Sit back, and see what happens....

With regard to the OP....

But for many charities and parents who are prepared to go hungry themselves before their children, this Country is heading the exact same way.

Social Welfare is a lot less in the US and you have limited time on it.... is that the model the OP and others here want to bring in in Ireland ? :roll:
 

meriwether

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Like you they could have been on a day off. You cannot generalise in that way.

We have no-one to blame but ourselves for allowing a situation whereby those who refuse to take paid work still get benefits. The answer is possibly to carry out a review of all those who have never worked and then call them all in for interviews to explain why they haven't. In the event of no shows, the benefits are ended immediately.
I doubt that somehow Aindriu.

Its a coincidence they had a day off, and so did all their mates too. I mean, they all knew each other. Like they were regulars, or something.
 

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It appears the American stock market is starting to recover.

Five and a half years after the start of a frightening drop that erased $11 trillion from stock portfolios and made investors despair of ever getting their money back, the Dow Jones industrial average has regained all the losses suffered during the Great Recession and reached a new high. The blue-chip index rose 125.95 points Tuesday and closed at 14,253.77, topping the previous record of 14,164.53 on Oct. 9, 2007, by 89.24 points.
"It signals that things are getting back to normal," says Nicolas Colas, chief market strategist at ConvergEx Group, a brokerage. "Unemployment is too high, economic growth too sluggish, but stocks are anticipating improvement."
The record suggests that investors who did not panic and sell their stocks in the 2008-2009 financial crisis have fully recovered. Those who have reinvested dividends or added to their holdings have done even better. Since bottoming at 6,547.05 on March 9, 2009, the Dow has risen 7,706.72 points or 118 percent.
http://www.southernminn.com/faribault_daily_news/news/nation/article_c2b616f5-842d-5fb4-bce0-9288192e66b7.html

Hopefully this kick starts investment, the American domestic economy gets going again and people like these can get jobs and escape poverty.
 

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We have no-one to blame but ourselves for allowing a situation whereby those who refuse to take paid work still get benefits. The answer is possibly to carry out a review of all those who have never worked and then call them all in for interviews to explain why they haven't. In the event of no shows, the benefits are ended immediately.
Exactly. Why would anyone work minimum wage in a dead end job when you can sit around scratching yourself and get paid virtually the same (when travel costs are taken into account). It would be better to automatically cut benefits after a period of time, like a year, rather than doing interviews though. Leaving it to a person decide, especially when that person has no motiviation to cut anyone's benefits, would only lead to favouritism and unfairness where it depends on which interviewer you happen to get, and the mood they are in on the day.
 

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This article truly shows the reality of life for many in the US. What sickens me is that there are so many on here who want Ireland to go the same way! As a civilised society we have a duty to ensure that those who find themselves unemployed through no fault of their own - as the mother in this article did - are not left impoverished to the point the family in the article are.

Shame on America and shame on those who want us to go the same route.

BBC News - The children going hungry in America
Simplistic, with a combination of non-specific uncredited statistics and crafted on an anecdote count of one

I also noted this:

The children's father is not around

Here is the contra, also an anecdote of one. Fictionalised but based on a true story:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454921/

America still inspires and insentivises people to achieve. We live in a country where that wouldn't happen
 

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something requires doing, the trouble is what?, someone poster earlier cut welfare and watch, watch what, the soup kitchens are busy enough as it is, the crowd in the pub which is been spoken about, are they really on the dole, 188 for a single person, a day in the pub drinking enough to sing, i would say that for the rest of the week it is the soup kitchen, welfare has been abused since it was introduced, at the moment they are requiring the use of a social welfare card to collect it, an idea that is as good as as walking into a pile of dog poo, because if one was abroad all that they need do is let some one else collect it for them, the only way to ensure is the electronic eye and fingerprint idea, but it costs too much to introduce it says the moaning one, really?, when it is in all or nearly all fraud is wiped out, the savings over 10-15 years would be immense.
 

Aindriu

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Trainwreck, the father not being around could be for all sorts of reasons! Including abuse - of spouse and children! You cannot punish the children because of the actions of their parents!
 

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. is that the model the OP and others here want to bring in in Ireland ? :roll:
Did you actually read the OP? Because if it did and that is what you took from it you need to go back to primary school.
 

Clanrickard

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Simplistic, with a combination of non-specific uncredited statistics and crafted on an anecdote count of one
Not at all 50 million with no health care. Huge swathes barely hanging on in low wage jobs and the rich spiraling off into the distance. Social mobility in the US is no the lowest in the OECD. So much for the American Dream.
 

emulator

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Did you actually read the OP? Because if it did and that is what you took from it you need to go back to primary school.
Did you actually read the posts I was responding to ? Because if you did and this is what you've gotten from it, you need to go back to primary school. :shock:
 
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I doubt that somehow Aindriu.

Its a coincidence they had a day off, and so did all their mates too. I mean, they all knew each other. Like they were regulars, or something.
Real Daily Mail stuff. You didn't mention the size of their flat-screen TV's.
 

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The irony of course is that among poor Whites in the South especially, they vote GOP anyway, despite that party's hostility to the welfare system (especially the Tea Party wing). It's all God, Guns and Gays in that part of the country. Mississippi is the poorest state in the Union, but just 15% of Whites there voted Obama in 2012 according to Fivethirtyeight.com.

I do admire America's relatively free markets, but not the contempt for equality many of the conservative half of the country have. Much of the country still outlawed homosexuality until the Lawrence vs Texas SC ruling in 2004. As Governor of Texas, Bush opposed legalisation. And the gun culture is just nuts.
 

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I was in a city centre pub last friday at 3pm (day off) for a pint before an early dinner.

There was approx 12-15 males in there, drinking and watching the racing. By 4pm, when I left, one of them was singing 'take me up to Monto'.
Sounded like great craic!
 

Crazy horse 6

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There's a middle ground between impoverishing people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, and offering an incentive to those who can work to make them work.

I was in a city centre pub last friday at 3pm (day off) for a pint before an early dinner.

There was approx 12-15 males in there, drinking and watching the racing. By 4pm, when I left, one of them was singing 'take me up to Monto'.
And? Whats that got to do with people who can't put food on the table or keep the heating on. Maybe the men in question worked shift or are taxi drivers. Not everyone works 9-5.
 
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