For many FF/FG and Labour have sold us out. So where now ?

Luigi Vampa

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For many people FF/FG or Labour are no longer an option, due to their conduct in the recent financial crisis, and their willingness to allow the Irish people to be sold out.

So where now ?
 


BlackLion

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rip every party from the Dail and start anew. filter thru the rot and we'll find a spec of gold here and there. this rot is like wood worm until we kick out FF/FG/Lab and SF, we will never have a future without corruption.
 

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Probably we will soon see an emergence of a new PD / economically right wing, anit EU party emerge. But it is probably too close to an election for this to happen right now. Will probably be a force in five years time.
 

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It depends what you mean by "sold out".

As I see it, it is a phrase that people use because they are angry that their expected lifetime income is lower than it used to be. Nothing more.

Few people have a sufficiently advanced and correct understanding of what is going on to formulate much more than anger at the moment. I suspect that nobody has a totally correct and full understanding of everything.

This is why there are so few solutions being proposed, and why most of the solutions are bad ones that are worse than the status quo.
 

Padraigin

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rip every party from the Dail and start anew. filter thru the rot and we'll find a spec of gold here and there. this rot is like wood worm until we kick out FF/FG/Lab and SF, we will never have a future without corruption.

Look for the wheat among the chaff.

Look for people who defy their parties and their parties' leadership and act to defend and protect the Irish people in this time of crisis (supposedly the job of all persons in Irish government but conspicuiously missing in recent years).

Look for those who put Ireland and the Irish people ahead of "markets" and European interests.

Look for people who will put aside their partisan politics and are willing to work with others who think the same in other parties to do what needs to be done to kill this deal.

Look for people who will park their divisive ideological rhetoric and focus on what is important. This is not a time for ideology - this is a time for all Irish to stand together and defend this country and its people against those who would destroy it.

And above all, watch how each TD votes and make sure that each TD knows that he or she is being watched by the Irish people. Blind party loyalty will be severely punished.
 

Padraigin

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It depends what you mean by "sold out".

As I see it, it is a phrase that people use because they are angry that their expected lifetime income is lower than it used to be. Nothing more.

Few people have a sufficiently advanced and correct understanding of what is going on to formulate much more than anger at the moment. I suspect that nobody has a totally correct and full understanding of everything.

This is why there are so few solutions being proposed, and why most of the solutions are bad ones that are worse than the status quo.


Every economist, every financial analyst, every news commentator around the world has been saying that the only rationale solution for the Irish government to have taken in the current crisis was an immediate default.

Defaults are not good but, like personal bankruptcies, survivable, and quite often people land on their feet and do much better economically afterward. The same is true for countries who default.

The worst downside to a default is that the Irish government will not be able to go to foreign lenders and borrow money to do things that Ireland cannot afford. Ireland will have to live on a balanced budget. However, without having to service the government debt, the Irish government will have the entire tax revenue to spend and a much more generous budget to work with.

And if we can keep the Irish government away from foreign lenders for a few years, that would be a really, really good thing.
 


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