Former Welsh rugby player Gareth Thomas publically admits to having HIV



Dame_Enda

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I think we all know how he got it.

The same way the vast majority of other gay men get it....

Surely the Medical Profession should be warning them

- just don't do it..... 🤪
Plenty of straight people have it too.
 

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About what?
Do you have any idea how ignorant and repulsive this idiotic, flippant post about a chronic illness actually looks, at least to the decent majority who actually have a bit of humanity and empathy towards others? Shame on you.

I think we all know how he got it.

The same way the vast majority of other gay men get it....

Surely the Medical Profession should be warning them

- just don't do it..... 🤪
 

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About what?
You think posters don't see you for what you are. You think Raetsel or anyone else will be taken in by your pretending you don't know exactly what Raetsel pointed out about you.
 

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Yes - by using infected needles or having sex with infected people.
It is a fact that the origin of HIV was in the ape population. It didn't exist for thousands of years. It may have been transmitted through consuming ape-meat, or through airborne transmission. That probably plays a role in its prevalence on Sub Saharan Africa too in countries where homosexuality in illegal. Their rate of HIV/AIDS is monumentally higher than in the liberal West.
 

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It is a fact that the origin of HIV was in the ape population. It didn't exist for thousands of years. It may have been transmitted through consuming ape-meat, or through airborne transmission. That probably plays a role in its prevalence on Sub Saharan Africa too in countries where homosexuality in illegal. Their rate of HIV/AIDS is monumentally higher than in the liberal West.
Don't waste your time. Cattlepest knows that, he's just pretending not to so he can take a side swipe at gay men.

Rory O' Neill/Pantibliss also lives with HIV. He has many times explained what that is like and the precautions he takes. Presumably in an effort to educate gay men (and others) that safe sex is a good thing and that HIV is not a death sentence anymore.
 

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Don't waste your time. Cattlepest knows that, he's just pretending not to so he can take a side swipe at gay men.

Rory O' Neill/Pantibliss also lives with HIV. He has many times explained what that is like and the precautions he takes. Presumably in an effort to educate gay men (and others) that safe sex is a good thing and that HIV is not a death sentence anymore.

its not nothing


Life expectancy for people with HIV has improved significantly during the past 15 years, but on average it might still be as much as 21 years shorter than for people not infected with HIV, according to a study published online September 4 in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes.Sep 9, 2009
 

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I think we all know how he got it.

The same way the vast majority of other gay men get it....

Surely the Medical Profession should be warning them

- just don't do it..... 🤪
Why would the medical profession adopt an ineffective approach to reducing HIV transmission as opposed to an ineffective one? Telling people that HIV is the worst thing ever and don't ever have sex or you might get it is a failure. It's been a failure since the 80's.

On the other hand, telling people that HIV is a chronic, manageable condition which has extremely limited impact on health or quality of life if diagnosed early and that transmission can be prevented without having to avoid sex - with condoms, PrEP, PEP or knowledge that your sexual partner has an undetectable viral load - is proven to work.

Hence why new transmissions have fallen by a third in the UK in the last three years.

Less stigma = more testing.
More testing = more knowledge.
More testing also = more people on treatment with undetectable viral loads.
More knowledge = more protection.
More people who are undetectable = impossible to transmit.

Problem is, those who claim any sort of interest in protection of health advocate the precise opposite of effective means of achieving that. Because they are more interested in preserving the stigma than public health.
 

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Do you have any idea how ignorant and repulsive this idiotic, flippant post about a chronic illness actually looks, at least to the decent majority who actually have a bit of humanity and empathy towards others? Shame on you.
I wouldn't waste my breath Cattlepsest has been do so for years here it knows no shame it's a fundie RC who for years of the Tuam thread has been sneering at dead infants. No surprises at its flippant remarks here on this thread started by someone who was waiting for the exact sort of poster to say what the OP really wanted to say.
 

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It is a fact that the origin of HIV was in the ape population. It didn't exist for thousands of years. It may have been transmitted through consuming ape-meat, or through airborne transmission. That probably plays a role in its prevalence on Sub Saharan Africa too in countries where homosexuality in illegal. Their rate of HIV/AIDS is monumentally higher than in the liberal West.
Poverty is related to the differential in rates as well - poor Africans just do not have access to the same healthcare services as people in the West. But "poor nutrition" as Thabo Mbeki suggested when he was President of South Africa, is not a factor.

The biggest surprise is that HIV is most prevalent in Botswana and South Africa - grassland savannahs where populations of apes or chimpanzees do not live. So that Africans have a propensity to get HIV infection, caused by proximity to animals that carry a form of it, is doubtful.

This Discover article suggests Africans' disposition towards "simultaneous long term sexual relationships", the opposite of monogamy. But it may mean that if polyamory catches on in the West (as it seems to be) HIV infections may rise. But I suppose all STDs will rise, without proper education about the risks.

 

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its not nothing
You need more up to date sources.

Like this, from 2014:

Specifically, a 35-year-old man who had a CD4 cell count over 350 and an undetectable viral load (below 400 copies/ml) one year after starting HIV treatment could expect to live to the age of 81. A 50-year-old man with the same results after one year of treatment was predicted to live to the age of 83. In the general population at this time, men in these age groups were expected to live to 77 and 78 years.
More testing, early diagnosis and treatment mean HIV+ people will not only be able to have a normal (or, actually, in some cases - improved) life expectancy, but also have untransmittable HIV.

Which is why those advocating for more stigma, and an absurd abstinence advocacy are not only wrong - but are driven entirely by an effort to stigmatise gay men rather than any interest in improving health.
 

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Yes - by using infected needles or having sex with infected people.
Actually todays retroviral drugs can eliminate risk of transmission. The countries with the highest HIV/AIDS rates tend to ones in Africa where contraception and homosexuality are both illegal.
 

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Poverty is related to the differential in rates as well - poor Africans just do not have access to the same healthcare services as people in the West. But "poor nutrition" as Thabo Mbeki suggested when he was President of South Africa, is not a factor.

The biggest surprise is that HIV is most prevalent in Botswana and South Africa - grassland savannahs where populations of apes or chimpanzees do not live. So that Africans have a propensity to get HIV infection, caused by proximity to animals that carry a form of it, is doubtful.

This Discover article suggests Africans' disposition towards "simultaneous long term sexual relationships", the opposite of monogamy. But it may mean that if polyamory catches on in the West (as it seems to be) HIV infections may rise. But I suppose all STDs will rise, without proper education about the risks.

I suspect the genetic possibility to contract HIV in future is inherited from generations ago. Other factors probably include extreme religious movements, including those promoted by US Evangelicals, which result in puritanical laws against homosexuality and condoms, which deter people from seeking help or getting tested because of stigma.
 

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I suspect the genetic possibility to contract HIV in future is inherited from generations ago. Other factors probably include extreme religious movements, including those promoted by US Evangelicals, which result in puritanical laws against homosexuality and condoms, which deter people from seeking help or getting tested because of stigma.
I doubt the genetic argument since, all things being equal, African-Americans or Afro-Europeans show no more propensity for HIV infections than those of singular European descent. However, it cannot be written off.

It is true that a public attitude of stigma and enforced ignorance contributes to the spread of HIV and other STDs.
 

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I doubt the genetic argument since, all things being equal, African-Americans or Afro-Europeans show no more propensity for HIV infections than those of singular European descent. However, it cannot be written off.

It is true that a public attitude of stigma and enforced ignorance contributes to the spread of HIV and other STDs.
The genetic point is not a racial one. I mean human beings as a whole are perhaps more susceptible to this condition because an ancestor lived in proximity to apes, or perhaps was stationed in an African colony near to them, or in proximity to an someone with this susceptibility. But is widely recognised that HIV originated in apes.
 
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Bizarre that it's still even considered an issue, let alone something worthy of 'blackmail' if that is the case. In cases like this it's roughly the equivalent of having high blood pressure, treated.
It's pretty shocking that tabloids can still get away with this sort of unwarranted intrusion into people's privacy nearly a decade after the shameful exposure of the behaviour of News of the World reporters.
In another story today, Ben Stokes, the England cricketer, has told the Guardian of his disgust at the Sun's front page exposure of a family tragedy back in the 1980s.
There is no possible public interest angle in this sort of crap.
The England cricket player Ben Stokes has described a front page article by the Sun newspaper about a family tragedy 31 years ago as “disgusting” and “immoral”.
In a statement on Twitter, Stokes said the paper’s decision to publish the story would have “grave and lifelong consequences” for his mother in particular. He also claimed the story contained a series of serious inaccuracies.
He wrote: “Today the Sun has seen fit to publish extremely painful, sensitive and personal details concerning events in the private lives of my family, going back more than 31 years.
 

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You need more up to date sources.

Like this, from 2014:



More testing, early diagnosis and treatment mean HIV+ people will not only be able to have a normal (or, actually, in some cases - improved) life expectancy, but also have untransmittable HIV.

Which is why those advocating for more stigma, and an absurd abstinence advocacy are not only wrong - but are driven entirely by an effort to stigmatise gay men rather than any interest in improving health.
I assume that's a projection as nobody has been on these new treatments for 50 years? I obviously hope everyone lives the longest they can but drugs have side effects and they rarely have an upside

In Cathy Newman speak, so you are saying getting HIV and treatment is a longevity protocol ? :unsure:
 


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