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France to create an National Observatory of Secularism


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At a Dec. 11 conference, French interior minister Manuel Valls announced that new government surveillance policies will be aimed at shutting down religious groups including traditionalist Catholics if they show signs of a “religious pathology” that could lead to violence, reported Reuters.

The conference was held two days after French president Francois Hollande announced the creation of a new agency, the “National Observatory of Secularism,” to observe and promote secularism in the nation.

The agency will also propose ways to promote secular values in schools. Education minister Vincent Peillon said this education must renew an emphasis on the French values of equality and fraternity.

Peillon told a French newspaper that secularism “is not about simple tolerance” but is instead about “understanding what is right and being able to distinguish good from evil.”
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Religious extremism is “an offense to the republic” that the government cannot tolerate, he said.

As examples of religious extremists, he pointed to creationists, radical Islamists, strongly traditionalist Catholics and ultra-Orthodox Jews “who want to live separately from the modern world,” Reuters reported.
Clerical Whispers

I of course support promoting secularism and reducing religious influence over politics and education. But is this really the right way to go about it? Is this not an example of an political party using the state to promote it's own ideology and creating further divisions?

Of course the move seems primarily targeted towards radical Islam.
 


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Clerical Whispers

I of course support promoting secularism and reducing religious influence over politics and education. But is this really the right way to go about it? Is this not an example of an political party using the state to promote it's own ideology and creating further divisions?

Of course the move seems primarily targeted towards radical Islam.

Sure isn't the poor guy merely excavating 'grave dysfunction' in line with other important 'leaders' valued by Time magazine?
 

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The Evil ZIONIST Jews Again... boring... I know a bored ZIONIST Jew is very dangerous, they like to murder children... but look at who supports the child murderers? americia... they sponsored (9 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ISRAEL ) the last 59 children the I.D.F. murdered...The children murdered in gaza is ignored... wake up america KARMA IS COMING YOUR WAY... MORN THE CHILDREN OF GAZA AS CHRIST WOULD MORN, YOU MORN YOUR OWN... morn the children of gaza first, if you want forgiveness of your own...Forgive and let go of the hate that is??? ISRAEL.......
 

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You know when the French were helping Gadaffi spy on his own people and then were allied with and bombing on behalf of the uprising which featured the involvement of Islamic extremists? Well, was that done with a view towards helping or hindering extremism?
 

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This proposal will last until the Saudi Ambassador calls the French interior ministry and issues instructions to reverse policy. The Sunni supremicist regime will not take kindly to anybody anywhere implying that their fairytales are not needed.

It's all about oil, at this point in time.

Mind you the market for French sovereign bonds is looking decisively dodgy as well.

Let's see how much courage the French government have on this issue.
 

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That National Observatory might want to pay an inspection visit to the Champs Elysees to see Christmas lights everywhere and hear Silent Night blasting en anglais ....
 

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That National Observatory might want to pay an inspection visit to the Champs Elysees to see Christmas lights everywhere and hear Silent Night blasting en anglais ....
Is there is an institute in France to protect French culture for English and American influence ?

Seems to be doing a lousy job.
 

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That National Observatory might want to pay an inspection visit to the Champs Elysees to see Christmas lights everywhere and hear Silent Night blasting en anglais ....
And oversee the handing back to the Catholic Church all the churches and cathedrals confiscated at the time of The Revolution which are maintained by the State but used by the R.C. Church. And ditto for protestant churches, of numerous denominations, etc.

And inform the Parisian police that they shouldn't shut down the streets around Notre Dame for the annual Feast of the Assumption Procession on August 15th.

Of course in relation to 'Silent Night', given the history of Paris and the fall-out from the Franco-Prussian War in 1870, its near capture in 1914-18, and its Occupation in 1940-44, it probably wouldn't do to have that particular Carol sung in the original German, particularly as its origins are in Austria, as was Hitler's.
 

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Is there is an institute in France to protect French culture for English and American influence ?

Seems to be doing a lousy job.
That's one of the functions of the Académie Francaise. They appear to be very proud of the fact that their equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary has hardly grown at all over the past two centuries- Questions de langue | Académie française
 

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Is there is an institute in France to protect French culture for English and American influence ?

Seems to be doing a lousy job.
Like most European countries they attempted to block out American influence during the 50s and 60s and completely failed, not least because Hollywood lobbied hard to make free access to European cinemas a condition of any post WW2 aid program. Then the French (and English) offered tax breaks and grants to stimulate their own domestic film industry, only to discover Hollywood moving to France to make American films in French locations and take advantage of tax breaks.

Coca Cola was at one stage viewed as a symbol of growing American colonialism in France and attempts to ban the drink also failed.

France still has laws limiting the number of American/English music and programs that can be played.
 

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And oversee the handing back to the Catholic Church all the churches and cathedrals confiscated at the time of The Revolution which are maintained by the State but used by the R.C. Church. And ditto for protestant churches, of numerous denominations, etc.
What the fu*k would the state be doing with the churches?
 

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This proposal will last until the Saudi Ambassador calls the French interior ministry and issues instructions to reverse policy. The Sunni supremicist regime will not take kindly to anybody anywhere implying that their fairytales are not needed.

It's all about oil, at this point in time.

Mind you the market for French sovereign bonds is looking decisively dodgy as well.

Let's see how much courage the French government have on this issue.
Hollande better get down Sacré Couer and light a few candles for his Government's welfare.
This secularist organisation sounds like something out of the French Revolution.
Didn't they end up building an elephant of rationalism or something
 

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Hollande better get down Sacré Couer and light a few candles for his Government's welfare.
This secularist organisation sounds like something out of the French Revolution.
Didn't they end up building an elephant of rationalism or something
They converted Notre Dame into a 'temple of reason'.
 

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What the fu*k would the state be doing with the churches?
An accident of history but it generally suits the churches as the state pays for the upkeep. It also indirectly acts as a barrier to entry for other less traditional religions into the French market.
 

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They converted Notre Dame into a 'temple of reason'.
There were other examples too, which I've forgotten. They created secularist / rationalist festivities too.
 

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There were other examples too, which I've forgotten. They created secularist / rationalist festivities too.
Yes and renamed the days of the week and the months.
 

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