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France votes : first round of the presidential elections 2017


For whom would you vote in the first round of the French presidential election?


  • Total voters
    136
  • Poll closed .

GDPR

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So Im guessing one poor sock got excluded from the thread on the second round of the Presidentielles and is stuck on this one in Cré na Cille mode while the other sock is too frightened to post much on that thread in case it gets banned too?
 

GDPR

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So Im guessing one poor sock got excluded from the thread on the second round of the Presidentielles and is stuck on this one in Cré na Cille mode while the other sock is too frightened to post much on that thread in case it gets banned too?
It must be pretty boring over there now, eh...
 

Cai

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True, I don't see why Ireland fought against British administration only to let unelected EU Bureaucrats to have the power.
Were bureaucrats elected in Ireland prior to EEC entry?
 

shiel

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Anyway, let's get back to our topic. I think the EU was a bad idea from the start, and the ECB a disaster, but the real downfall of the EU was the expansion into Eastern Europe. Those countries ruined the USSR, and now they have ruined the EU. Ukraine is the final nail in the coffin for the EU.
Nearly thirty European democracies signing a treaty to cooperate in matters of mutual within the EU is not a bad idea.

This is especially the case given that previously two totalitarian dictators - Stalin and Hitler - exterminated millions of their own citizens and reduced much of Europe to ruins in a war over which of them would become the totalitarian dictator over the whole of Europe.

The countries of Eastern Europe are democracies now.

They used to be colonies of either imperial or totalitarian colonisers.

That is progress.

Ukraine is an independent country.

It used to be a colony of Russia. It has its problems but Russian invasion of its former colony is indefensible.
 

jmcc

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La Pen could just make it, conservatives do better than polls suggest.
It depends on a major shift between now and polling day. However the gap between the two is not 20%. The first one to 50% +1 wins. Support tends to crystalise as the polling day approaches but the undecideds are going to be, as with most elections, the key and while some people would not like to be thought of as LePen supporters, they may decide that she is a better candidate than Macron.
 

shiel

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It depends on a major shift between now and polling day. However the gap between the two is not 20%. The first one to 50% +1 wins. Support tends to crystalise as the polling day approaches but the undecideds are going to be, as with most elections, the key and while some people would not like to be thought of as LePen supporters, they may decide that she is a better candidate than Macron.
Do you think a le pen victory would be good for the welfare of the citizens of the nearly thirty democracies that signed a treaty to join the EU?
 

jmcc

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Do you think a le pen victory would be good for the welfare of the citizens of the nearly thirty democracies that signed a treaty to join the EU?
Strange as it seems, yes. Brussels has become a vehicle for Berlin and the EU needs to become a community of nations again rather than a bureaucratic empire. As Thomas Jefferson put it: "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing.".
 

shiel

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Strange as it seems, yes. Brussels has become a vehicle for Berlin and the EU needs to become a community of nations again rather than a bureaucratic empire. As Thomas Jefferson put it: "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing.".
Do you think the disintegration of the EU would constitute just 'a little rebellion'?
 

gerhard dengler

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The French establishment and the EU establishment, rightly or wrongly, has thrown it weight fully behind the Macron bid for the presidency.

It is a case of "anyone, anyone at all, except LePen for president"

This election is for Macron to lose.
 

shiel

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The old saying goes that the European Union was designed to try to conceal French weakness and to conceal German strength.
Do you think a le pen victory would be good for the welfare of the citizens of the nearly thirty democracies that signed a treaty to join the EU?
 

gerhard dengler

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Do you think a le pen victory would be good for the welfare of the citizens of the nearly thirty democracies that signed a treaty to join the EU?
I think that any result which leads to the demise of the political union of the European Union will benefit all citizens across the region.
 

Cai

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La Pen could just make it, conservatives do better than polls suggest.
I'm sure you're going to show me loads of examples of conservatives winning despite being 20 points down in the polls.
 

NYCKY

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La Pen could just make it, conservatives do better than polls suggest.
Le Pen could of course make it but she would want to be doing much better than the polls suggest, better in a way that would make Trump and Brexit look like expected results.

Le Pen really needed to get in the 30s in the first round or at least the high 20s to be able to leverage that and get some momentum, but she didn't.

If shes does better than polls suggest, on a good day she might get mid 40s but still a likely double digit defeat. Perhaps something to build on for 2022.

She will however do better than her father in 2002, whose 2nd round vote didn't materially improve on his first round vote.
 
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