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France votes : first round of the presidential elections 2017


For whom would you vote in the first round of the French presidential election?


  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed .

Trainwreck

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While clearly enough for you
Fortunately 60 million French people probably believe your suitability to become President shouldn't be solely decided by one's ability to deliver a rehearsed snide remark.

As for her winning?
Look, she could have vomited and urinated on the stage last night and you'd have said the same thing.
It is therefore pointless of you to say she won, utterly meaningless.
No, just that one thing. I thought it the best line of the night.
 

Fractional Reserve

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The English voted for Brexit because of their racist contempt for the citizens of the rest of the EU and especially for the citizens of this democratic republic and former colony.
you really think that was the reason , nothing else but racism ?
 

shiel

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Daily Express

'She will DESTROY EU' Nigel Farage backs Marine Le Pen to clinch French presidency
NIGEL Farage has given his full support to Marine Le Pen as he hopes a victory for the ...
English racism supporting French racism.
 

shiel

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Really?
Point of fact: The Treaty will remain,
Point of fact: Britain is exercising an actual provision in the Treaty (if they are tearing it up, they couldn't use Article 50 now could they?)
Point of fact: Treaties are made, changed and dissolved all the time.
Point of fact: "European Union" is not a race. "German" is not a race", "French" is not a race, ditto, ditoo, ditto.
Point of fact: very few "European citizens" were formerly part of the "colony ruled from London". I wasn't, I am 99.9% sure you weren't.
Point of fact: Around 1% of the EU population are citizens of a country that was once a colony of Britain. Meh.
Point of fact: You provide no facts. Where is the "defence of fascism", or "colonialism"?
Point of fact: Yes, she propose France leave the EU. And...?
Point of fact: Opponents of the EU support an opponent of the EU. And..?
Point of fact: That "right wing nutter", was pivotal in convincing more 18 million people it would be in their interests to leave the EU. Rage away, nobody is much bothered.
Point of fact: Neither you, nor anyone else, has every provided an iota of evidence that Marine Le Pen is either a fascist or a racist.
So you see, the reason I don't typically take time to parse and respond to your posts is because the task is exactly like sifting through a sewer in the hope of discovering a diamond.
Are we good now?
The EU is a union of nearly thirty European democracies each of which signed a treaty to cooperate in matters of mutual interest in a continent which has suffered centuries of imperial and totalitarian violence.

It is the most advanced such treaty in the world.

That EU treaty might remain in existence but the English do not want the EU to exist any longer as they have torn up their part and support those in the rest of Europe who favour doing the same thing.

By imposing a hard border on the island of Ireland to stop free trade and free movement of people the English have also torn up the Good Friday Agreement.

They are good at tearing up treaties since they spent centuries tearing up treaties made with the Irish.

In that they were notoriously supported by the gutter London media.

That same gutter London media spent decades scoffing at their fellow citizens in the EU. The result was Brexit which is a proclamation of contempt for those European fellow citizens.

The London media spent centuries proclaiming contempt for the Irish. The result was deprivation of rights to political representation, property, education, cultural identity and even to food.

I know the English are as you so delicately put it are not 'much bothered' by any of this.

But it does no harm to remind ourselves of the background to Brexit and the backing of the gutter London media for the French version of racism and colonialism.
 

Voluntary

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EU is a big big problem for any small country in the neighborhood who doesn't want to join. The reason is that they simply cannot negotiate or bribe weak national governments, but have to negotiate with big EU instead. No deal with EU means no deal with 28 countries.

No wonder UK outside EU would wish the EU to break up.
Same story with Russia, Putin would love EU to go bust.
 

shiel

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EU is a big big problem for any small country in the neighborhood who doesn't want to join. The reason is that they simply cannot negotiate or bribe weak national governments, but have to negotiate with big EU instead. No deal with EU means no deal with 28 countries.

No wonder UK outside EU would wish the EU to break up.
Same story with Russia, Putin would love EU to go bust.
It is indeed amazing that the UK and Russia will have an interest in breaking up the EU.

It is amazing that both are in fact supporting the racist fascist Marine Le Pen in France.
 

McDave

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EU is a big big problem for any small country in the neighborhood who doesn't want to join. The reason is that they simply cannot negotiate or bribe weak national governments, but have to negotiate with big EU instead. No deal with EU means no deal with 28 countries.

No wonder UK outside EU would wish the EU to break up.
Same story with Russia, Putin would love EU to go bust.
It's not a problem for Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Andorra, the non-EU Balkan states, or Moldova. If any of those countries has problems, it's either because they're helping tax dodging, or they're not intrinsically stable. No fault of the EU's. Even at that, none of them wants the EU to break up.

I'm not sure Russia would like the EU to go bust as such. It would settle for status quo stagnation, not constituting a threat to its own regional interests. Russia was understandably unhappy with Warsaw Pact 'defections' to NATO, and to 'aggressive' policies on Ukraine. In general, Russia would like a stable EU it can do business with, and not threaten it. It has enough problems on other borders without Europe coming apart and reverting to militarist nationalism.

England is the real outlier. It's the western European country with the single most destructive political agenda, with a perpetually negative attitude to France and, particularly, Germany (which it fears greatly, when it should fear itself more). It's destructiveness was evidenced most blatantly by its participation in the simply evil invasion of Iraq alongside George W. Bush/Dick Cheney. Their disgusting instincts were amplified again recently by May's craven visit to an even worse US president.

No, England has real problems. Instead of fulminating impotently against the EU, it should be watching its own back yard. It's giving Scotland every motivation to break up the UK.
 

McDave

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bokuden

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I wouldn't get too smug about this. France came within a few percent of two anti eu candidates getting into the second round. If he doesn't change course on the liberal bankers agenda, we will have another extremist as president in 5 years time.
 

McDave

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I wouldn't get too smug about this. France came within a few percent of two anti eu candidates getting into the second round. If he doesn't change course on the liberal bankers agenda, we will have another extremist as president.
France is 75% behind the EU and the Euro. While this shouldn't be taken for granted, the centre has held well. The challenge for Macron is to do a Schroeder and succeed where Hollande and Sarkozy failed.
 

mr_anderson

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It is indeed amazing that the UK and Russia will have an interest in breaking up the EU.

It is amazing that both are in fact supporting the racist fascist Marine Le Pen in France.

The EU is giving it's own citizens the greatest interest in breaking up the EU.
If every EU country had a referendum, the UK would not be the only one leaving.

Those in charge need to cop themselves on.
 

McDave

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Marine Le Pen is expected to abandon her campaign for France to leave the European Union and bring back the franc, following her failed presidential bid against Emmanuel Macron.

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Both leaving the European Union and the euro were key policies set out by Ms Le Pen, despite a poll conducted just months ahead of the election showing that 72 per cent of French voters were against abandoning the euro.
Marine Le Pen to abandon

Well, well, well. How now brown cow. It seems Le Vache Qui Dit is about to abandon her poorly judged Frexit policy. Lots of P.ie Europhobes left with their derrieres out the window. Looks like Johnny-No-Mates Hard Brexitrons will soon only have the shoulders of Trump and Kaczinski to cry on.
 
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