Frances Fitzgerald's stunning achievement, with 90%+ of assylum applications now being refused.

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Frances Fitzgerald is making great progress in weeding out bogus Asylum Seekers from the system. Under her tenure as Minister, Ireland is no longer seen as a soft touch by Asylum Shoppers.

Asylum applications in Ireland are running at just 10% of the rate of other Countries will similar sized populations.

This is really a fantastic performance by Minister Fitzgerald. This is quiet competence behind the scenes without fanfare.


Ireland refuses asylum to 90pc of applicants - Independent.ie

With a little more effort the refusal figure could be edged up to circa 98%. Asylum should be made a temporary refuge rather than a route to permanent residence or Citizenship.

This is the kind of Competence we need in the next Taoiseach.
 


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Great news.

Only the genuine are getting our help.
 

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Great news.

Only the genuine are getting our help.
There are still bogus people getting through. Fortunately the Judicial Review route is being closed down too. Bravo Frances with more improvements to come.
 

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Dated report. Suggestions of denial of access to judicial review are premature. The latest piece of legislation on immigration makes no such provision.

Is this attempt to counter threads discussing the latest proposed import of
'children' from Calais by Minishter O'Zappy acting on the proposal passed by the snowflakes in the Dail and all the other migrants being shipped in by our Government to please Mutti ('Mammy') Merkel? Or an attempt to big up Frances' street cred with the gender fluid man/woman in the street who have doubts about unlimited mass migration which continues unabated?
 
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what is the deportation rate?
Circa 1500 asylum applications last year down form a high of 12,000.

Just about 150 people granted asylum last year.

3500 deportations last year with more progress being made. 4000 expected this year.

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Frances Fitzgerald is making great progress in weeding out bogus Asylum Seekers from the system. Under her tenure as Minister, Ireland is no longer seen as a soft touch by Asylum Shoppers.

Asylum applications in Ireland are running at just 10% of the rate of other Countries will similar sized populations.

This is really a fantastic performance by Minister Fitzgerald. This is quiet competence behind the scenes without fanfare.


Ireland refuses asylum to 90pc of applicants - Independent.ie

With a little more effort the refusal figure could be edged up to circa 98%. Asylum should be made a temporary refuge rather than a route to permanent residence or Citizenship.

This is the kind of Competence we need in the next Taoiseach.
As fair as I am aware >90% of asylum applications have been refused ever since this scam started in the late 90's. So this is nothing new nor unique to Frances Fitzgerald.

Whats more concerning is the number of deportation orders that are not enforced.
 

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I suppose it depends whether there has been any significant change in the overall number of applications processed.

If there were 10% of 200,000 applications that would be 20,000 allowed in. Whereas five years ago we might have been allowing 15% of 100,000 applications which would give a figure of 15,000 allowed in.

Which would mean a net influx of 5,000. I'm not saying there are 200,000 applications but I use these round figures to demonstrate the robustness of my mathematical porridge.
 

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The big problem is other EU Nations handing out EU Residence allowing people to then come to Ireland.
 

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What about the failed 5000 in DP centres for more than 5 years making failed asylum claim after failed asylum claim? When does that end, and by end I mean deportation? The new legislation being introduced seemed promising at first but reading between the lines it just appears to reduce the legal fees and allows for people to be given Leave to Remain after a couple of failed asylum claims?
 

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yes the key figures to inform would be.

the number of ordered deportations.
the number of such orders fulfilled, and answers to why the remainder were not fulfilled and where are these people now? still here? surely we cannot allowed failed asylum seekers who have failed the legislative test remain in situ?
 

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I welcome all tightening of our asylum laws.

Can we also go over old cases where we suspect successful applicants were, in hindsight, just screwing the system ?
 

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I welcome all tightening of our asylum laws.

Can we also go over old cases where we suspect successful applicants were, in hindsight, just screwing the system ?
Why not return them after 5 years?
 

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I welcome all tightening of our asylum laws.

Can we also go over old cases where we suspect successful applicants were, in hindsight, just screwing the system ?
Fat chance - that sounds far too sensible. Will never happen. You might find a lot of scammers and come across a lot of looking the other way, nod and a wink, etc on the part of our establishment. Horror of horrors!
 

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There was a story last year about some loophole whereby the Gardai could not deport someone if they ran into a house and wouldn't come out, I can't remember the details, it sounds ludicrous, like a keystone cops things, does anyone know if that's been resolved yet?
 

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The entire approach is laughable, and the organized smuggling is making it even more so.
When a person from Africa or Asia presents themselves here and maintains:
1) Ireland is the first country that they have reached -- no other ports of call in between... there's something wrong with the judge or deciding officer if he believes this one.
2) that they are persecuted, or their life is in danger .... kind of difficult to prove from Ireland... even if they have papers, it's difficult to know whether they belong to the persecuted or the persecuting class.
If they are fleeing because there's war in the kitchen, could they not have moved to the dining room instead of making all their way to Ireland. Likewise if there's war in Herat province of Afghanistan, you can survive much better in Kabul, why not go there? Incidentally this is precisely what Angela Merkel's admin is doing now at this point in time. She's sending back the Afghanis because it's a safe(r) country... Course she has an election to face in a few months.
Let's say for example that they proclaim that they are gay and hence persecuted... well there's no one here who can really dispute that. Likewise if they proclaim themselves to be Christian or a Christian convert... kinda difficult to disprove it up this neck of the woods.
To sum up, I think this clinically legalistic approach of helping everyone and someone financially once they step one foot within the jurisdiction to prove their case in court has attracted so many hangers-on from the smugglers to the emigration-lawyers to the hotel-owners that the money involved would be much better spent directly on the displaced persons down in those regions.
As matter of fact, human nature would suggest that the money spent on accommodating the legal claims of the asylum seekers tends to leave those unfortunate masses who can't make it to Ireland short-changed. And they are the poorest and a little help down there would go a long way.

And then there's all those poor people who drowned.....
 

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There are lots of newspaper articles about African women being trafficked to Europe after being conned into believing they were going to well paid jobs, then they find themselves being forced to work as prostitutes. I've read articles about how many of the pregnant Nigerian mothers on those boats in the Med are pregnant as a result of being gang raped on their way to be forced to work as prostitutes in Europe, our navy is facilitating that.

I'm not going to link articles, people can Google it and see the horror for themselves. People believe the promises of the traffickers and they will come so long as they continue to be ferried in by navies.
 

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There are lots of newspaper articles about African women being trafficked to Europe after being conned into believing they were going to well paid jobs, then they find themselves being forced to work as prostitutes. I've read articles about how many of the pregnant Nigerian mothers on those boats in the Med are pregnant as a result of being gang raped on their way to be forced to work as prostitutes in Europe, our navy is facilitating that.

I'm not going to link articles, people can Google it and see the horror for themselves. People believe the promises of the traffickers and they will come so long as they continue to be ferried in by navies.

If you claim you are trafficked to Ireland for prostitution do you get to remain in Ireland and get a stream of benefits?
 

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Are there any numbers on the undocumented in Ireland? What happens when someone is in the country on an undocumented basis?
 

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Are there any numbers on the undocumented in Ireland? What happens when someone is in the country on an undocumented basis?

they probably would not be suckling off the State's Tit
 


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