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French Assembly Election



midlander12

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Interestingly, the FN % is identical to their 2012 Assembly score, indicating that we've already passed peak Marine.
We've had 'peak FN' several times since the 1980's. I wouldn't be at all sanguine that they are finished as a political force. Everything depends on whether the Macron presidency actually manages to deliver reforms and economic progress, or whether his efforts go the way of those of his 3 immediate predecessors who all backed down in the face of 'the street' and left things to limp along. If so, and particularly if the Republicans cannot find a credible candidate, Le Pen and possibly Melenchon also (though his movement has been wiped out today) will still be waiting in the wings.
 

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Oh you cant hurry the FN
You'll just have to wait
Say, Fascism dont come easy
Its a game of make or break.

How long must I wait?
How much more can I take?
I'm just a wee Piester
Longing for Marine La Fake.

And Momma said ... :D
 

stopdoingstuff

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It's tempting to think so, but he will have a huge amount of first-timers who owe their position to him.
Yeah but he was a minister under Hollande, his PM was in the UMP, the cabinet has people from pretty much every party other than the FN, and the voters are clearly borrowed from the legacy parties. It's basically a rebranding.
 

jpc

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Now will it make any difference?
 

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Well, actually, it seems to me that the PS and Melenchon's outfit are fighting it out for 4th and 5th place on 10-11% each, and that the combined left vote including the Greens is only about 23-24%. It's not just the PS that have been annihilated, it's the entire left. The Republicans on the other hand appear to have held on to Fillon's vote and possibly improved slightly on it, so they are at least a semi-viable opposition party should Macron stumble. The FN have held on to their core but that's the most that can be said for them, thankfully. Leftist voters appear to have made a leap of faith en masse towards Macron, which will make it interesting to see what happens when he announces his labour reforms etc.
The left may have realised that the left wing politicians have not delivered and have coped that the far left have northing to offer.
 

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dammit_im_mad

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neoliberal scum Macron gets a landslide.
Left wing are decimated by low turnout
France is rightly screwed now.

Expect a raft of neoliberal anti labour changes there.
Followed by mass unrest when the french realise they've been had.

All that pre election russian hack sh*t was discredited by statements from french intelligence. A ruse by Macron.

Macron also blocked all russian media from covering his campaign, without evidence.
He's an authoritarian at heart, conforming to the daft US agenda against Russia.

The last thing French agriculture needs is a russophobe president maintaining the absurd US driven sanctions against Russia against their own economic interests.
 

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Seriously undemocratic voting system where the FN - on 14% - will get 1-5 seats - while the Socialist party on 7% will get 20.
 

jpc

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Seriously undemocratic voting system where the FN - on 14% - will get 1-5 seats - while the Socialist party on 7% will get 20.
How is that?
The disparity in seat numbers?
 

Dame_Enda

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How is that?
The disparity in seat numbers?
It's a two round straight vote system based on getting 51% in a seat or going to the second round, where tactical voting for anti FN candidates kicks in. It's worse than the UK system. It leaves one seventh of French voters without representation.
 

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It's a two round straight vote system based on getting 51% in a seat or going to the second round, where tactical voting for anti FN candidates kicks in. It's worse than the UK system. It leaves one seventh of French voters without representation.
You cant support a transferred vote system and also consider tactical voting to be anti democratic, that's completely inconsistent.
 

Dame_Enda

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Its not stv it's Straight Voting but more extreme than the UK version. The party with 32% of the vote is likely to get 75% of the seats. It's anti democratic
 

petaljam

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Its not stv it's Straight Voting but more extreme than the UK version. The party with 32% of the vote is likely to get 75% of the seats. It's anti democratic
There's not such thing as an antidemocratic election, unless it's corrupt, but if we're nitpicking, then it's more democratic than the STV system which gives the "unsuccessful" voters extra "goes" which voters whose candidate got elected on the first count didn't get.
With the two round system everyone gets a second go, and nobody gets a third or a fourth.
 

Dame_Enda

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There should be no ideological lithmus tests that treat some votes as less equal than others.
 

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There is never any excuse for fascism. You can dress it up and pretend it is moderate (as Hitler did with some success) but the filth cannot be cleaned away. It just lives between the surface.
Apply the same logic to the Socialist party please:

The French Section of the Workers' International (French: Section Française de l'Internationale Ouvrière, SFIO) was a French socialist political party founded in 1905 and replaced in 1969 by the current Socialist Party (PS). It was created during the 1905 Globe Congress in Paris as a merger between the French Socialist Party and the Socialist Party of France, in order to create the French section of the Second International (i.e. the Workers' International), designated as the "party of the workers' movement"............................................................On 25 December 1920, during the Tours Congress, a majority of SFIO members voted to join the Comintern (also known as the "Third International") created by the Bolsheviks after the 1917 October Revolution. Led by Boris Souvarine and Ludovic Frossard, they created the French Section of the Communist International (SFIC). Another smaller group also favoured membership in the Comintern, but not all 21 conditions, and the minority, led by Léon Blum and the majority of the socialists' elected members, decided to in Blum's words, "keep the old house" and remain within the Second International. Marcel Sembat, Léon Blum and Albert Thomas refused to align themselves with Moscow. Paul Faure became secretary general of the SFIO, but its most influential figure was Blum, leader of the parliamentary group and director of a new party paper Le Populaire. The previous party paper, L'Humanité, was controlled by the founders of the SFIC. (However, Frossard later resigned from the SFIC and rejoined the SFIO in January 1923.)
If the FN comes from fascist roots (which it does) and that makes them unacceptable; then the fact that Socialists come from Bolshevik ( and therefore murderous) roots, should also make them unacceptable.

Apply your principle evenly or it is no more than an excuse.

Should Mitterand have been given a state funeral since we know he was funded by Nazi collaborators, not to mention his own "ambiguous" past? Should all decent parties renounce him?

What about the French Communist party and their roots, in particular their association with Moscow and hence with the Gulags and the deaths of tens of millions of people? Apply the same rules to them or it is not a rule, just a convenient veneer for your own inner autocrat.

Waldeck Rochet (5 April 1905 in Sainte-Croix in Saône-et-Loire – 17 February 1983 in Nanterre) was a French communist politician. He was General Secretary of the French Communist Party (PCF) from 1964 to 1972..................The son of a cobbler, Rochet was named in honor of politician Pierre Waldeck-Rousseau. After completing his service in the army, he worked in market gardening. In 1923, he joined the youth wing of the French Communist Party (PCF), and the following year the Party itself. He was sent over to the Soviet Union, in order to receive political training at Moscow's International Lenin School.
 
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