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French elections


connie treacy

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re message regarding French elections

What's that about Irishness and Irish culture - surely we're talking about Frenchness and French culture??
And....as for culture....the Frenchies have it! Give us a break with your Irishness....the Irish are great but culture..........!!!
 

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connie treacy said:
re message regarding French elections

What's that about Irishness and Irish culture - surely we're talking about Frenchness and French culture??
And....as for culture....the Frenchies have it! Give us a break with your Irishness....the Irish are great but culture..........!!!
First - welcome to the Site! :D

Yes its true the French have Culture in buckets and are very proud they are of it too.

But so do we - the Irish have plenty to be proud of too.

We can trace a distinctive Culture back for over 1,500 years.

I suppose our biggest loss has been our own Language - we really should do more on that front - and I'm guilty too I will admit on that score! :?

I think though its our sense of humour, our hospitality, our tendency to forgive, our love of the good life and not taking things tooo seriously that gives us our National Character.

Song, dance, literature, art are all associated with Ireland - we can be proud of our achievements as a Nation.

The French can too of course! :wink:
 

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If France were a tolerant country there would be a thriving Celtic culture making the country much more interesting than it is. Unfortunately, France is not a tolerant country. They are going to great lengths in stamping out any culture which has a whiff of unFrenchness about it. In fact, French has been the lingua franca across the whole country for only 200 years or so.
 

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We must tell the Algerians that it is not the case that they need France, but that France needs them. They are not a burden, and if they are for now, they will on the contrary be a dynamic part as well as the young blood of the French nation into which we will have integrated them. I claim that in the Muslim religion there is nothing, in the moral point of view, that would be incompatible with making a believing or practicing Muslim a full French citizen. Very much on the contrary, its basic principles are the same as for Christianity, which is the basis of Western civilization. On the other hand, I do not believe that there exists an Algerian race, any more than there exists a French race... I conclude: let us offer to Algerian Muslims entrance and integration in a dynamic France. Instead of telling them as we do now: "you are very expensive, you are a burden", let us tell them: "we need you, you are the youth of the nation".

-- Jean-Marie Le Pen, Journal officiel de la République française, January 28, 1958. Said when Algeria was still a part of Metropolitan France before it attained independence.
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Many people in Ireland sympathise with France and the French because they are seen as the enemies of Britain. However, the Irish should hate the French because they have completely stamped out all Celtic culture in their country. If France were a tolerant country like Spain today is, there would be pockets of Celtic-people speaking various Celtic languages all across France. Spain tolerates the national minorities, France doesn`t.
 

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Shankill Browser said:
THR said:
However, the Irish should hate the French.
:shock:
I've read a lot of your posts THR and you don't normally go in for that sort incitement.
Sorry, I mean that the Irish people should hate the French government and the French establishment which have carried out policies of ethnic cleansing. Of course not ordinary French people. They have nothing to do with the stamping out of the Celtic culture.
 

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mactheknife said:
We must tell the Algerians that it is not the case that they need France, but that France needs them. They are not a burden, and if they are for now, they will on the contrary be a dynamic part as well as the young blood of the French nation into which we will have integrated them. I claim that in the Muslim religion there is nothing, in the moral point of view, that would be incompatible with making a believing or practicing Muslim a full French citizen. Very much on the contrary, its basic principles are the same as for Christianity, which is the basis of Western civilization. On the other hand, I do not believe that there exists an Algerian race, any more than there exists a French race... I conclude: let us offer to Algerian Muslims entrance and integration in a dynamic France. Instead of telling them as we do now: "you are very expensive, you are a burden", let us tell them: "we need you, you are the youth of the nation".

-- Jean-Marie Le Pen, Journal officiel de la République française, January 28, 1958. Said when Algeria was still a part of Metropolitan France before it attained independence.
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Ah we all make them, but the courageous can unmake them:

"There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe, we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified."
Edward Heath, 1972
 

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I must return to this thread. It has really started to disturb me. Shankill Browser accused me of inciting hatred against a nation when I said that the Irish should hate the French. Yes, I said that but obviously when speaking in political terms saying things like the Irish hate the French should not mean that an average Irishman on the street would shout and scream at a French tourist. Unfortunately, this logic of a country X hating a country Y goes down to the lowest level. Obviously I meant that the Irish should hate the French government.

I certainly think that the actions of the past French governments to stamp out all what smacks of unFrenchness is nothing short of an ethnic cleansing. The French government should be made to feel ashamed that they have allowed anything such to happen. After all, France would be a much more diverse country if there were a thriving Celtic culture but the past French governments would not tolerate anything of the sort. Now there is nothing else but Frenchness and the millions of immigrants. The French really have a low national self-esteem.
 

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I had a conversation with a French girl living in Munich bout two months ago. Naturally, I brought up the forthcoming the election [what a political anorak I surely must be].

The way she described it was a choice between "a woman and a joke".

I thought her analysis was spot on :)

Although I guess the dynamic has changed a little since then with Bayrou making headway.

Still though, Sarkozy makes me very afraid in a Michael McDowell authoritarian-trading-on-instilling-fear-in-people kinda way.

The last thing France needs is more social division and unrest.
 

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owenfeehan said:
I had a conversation with a French girl living in Munich bout two months ago. Naturally, I brought up the forthcoming the election [what a political anorak I surely must be].

The way she described it was a choice between "a woman and a joke".

I thought her analysis was spot on :)

Although I guess the dynamic has changed a little since then with Bayrou making headway.

Still though, Sarkozy makes me very afraid in a Michael McDowell authoritarian-trading-on-instilling-fear-in-people kinda way.

The last thing France needs is more social division and unrest.
Trouble is only Sarko and Bayrou know the system and how it works.

Segolene knows it a bit - a lot more than your average punter but not in the same league as these two.

Segolene comes across as a very nice lady but is just so mushy when it comes to what it is she exactly is about its a joke! TBH I think she would be eaten alive by both the Socialist Old Guard and the French Right. :?

Bayrou would probably be a safe pair of hands but by the end of his term would anything really have changed? A vote for him is a vote for the satus quo. :|

Sarko has a fire in his belly - he knows what he wants to do and is prepared to take the hard decisions. He's ambitous, experienced and by all accounts ruthless - unlikely to take 'Non' for an answer. He is the Man for the Hour. :twisted:
 

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Catalpa said:
I suppose our biggest loss has been our own Language - we really should do more on that front - and I'm guilty too I will admit on that score! :?
And the reacquisition would bring the rest back in my opinion. But catalpa, don't just talk about being guilty, its within your grasp to regain it.
 

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Riadach said:
Catalpa said:
I suppose our biggest loss has been our own Language - we really should do more on that front - and I'm guilty too I will admit on that score! :?
And the reacquisition would bring the rest back in my opinion. But catalpa, don't just talk about being guilty, its within your grasp to regain it.
I know I know! :?

But I am trying - honest! :D
 

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Catalpa said:
Riadach said:
Catalpa said:
I suppose our biggest loss has been our own Language - we really should do more on that front - and I'm guilty too I will admit on that score! :?
And the reacquisition would bring the rest back in my opinion. But catalpa, don't just talk about being guilty, its within your grasp to regain it.
I know I know! :?

But I am trying - honest! :D
I think that we all agree on this - no language no country - isn't that the quote?

The greatest victory the English had was in defeating our culture - the greatest victory we can have is re-establishing our culture.

However if you look at some of the contributors on this site you can see they truly are a defeated people - they despise their cultural origins and view their culture as a culture of salvery and poverty and so to be despised.

Sad to see people so defeated
 

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I must return to this thread. It has really started to disturb me. Shankill Browser accused me of inciting hatred against a nation when I said that the Irish should hate the French. Yes, I said that but obviously when speaking in political terms saying things like the Irish hate the French should not mean that an average Irishman on the street would shout and scream at a French tourist. Unfortunately, this logic of a country X hating a country Y goes down to the lowest level. Obviously I meant that the Irish should hate the French government.

I certainly think that the actions of the past French governments to stamp out all what smacks of unFrenchness is nothing short of an ethnic cleansing. The French government should be made to feel ashamed that they have allowed anything such to happen. After all, France would be a much more diverse country if there were a thriving Celtic culture but the past French governments would not tolerate anything of the sort. Now there is nothing else but Frenchness and the millions of immigrants. The French really have a low national self-esteem.[/QUOTE]

Large and unstoppable chuckle
 
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