French Pension Reforms - Not For French Government.

The Caped Cod

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I got sent this in a mail today after reading the story. It's done the rounds in France with lightening speed.



While the French government have continued to ignore the roughly 3 million people who have already demonstrated nation wide so far, French Deputies have rejected an amendemnt to the bill that would see their pension regime tied to that of the proposed Pension regime of employees.
I find this both disgusting and dishonest. Based on deficit claims the French government has told, not asked or even tried to persuade, the people they must sacrifice for the greater good of the economy, while they refuse to be subjected to the same changes.

Ther were large demonstrations Saturday and they will continue through out the week with over 60% of French people against the reforms.
The arrogence of the governments position is franky breath taking. There is no communication or explaination, not even much attempt to placate the masses. It's as if they really don't give a sh*t what anyone thinks as they will do what ever they want.

I wonder will Ireland see a similar mobilisation when the real cut come in the next budget.
 


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The French will go nuts over this...what were the politicians thinking...??? obviously they haven't read or aren't bothered by their history......:roll: ..i just can't see the populace of France taking this lying down...
 

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The French will go nuts over this...what were the politicians thinking...??? obviously they haven't read or aren't bothered by their history......:roll: ..i just can't see the populace of France taking this lying down...
That's probably the most gawling thing! Whether you're for it or against it, to see the government basicaly give two fingers to the majority of the population.
Also I made a mistake in the OP, it should be 71% of the people support the strikes and demonstrations.
 

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It's sad watching the French protesting about things like this, knowing that it'll never happen over here.
 

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The Caped Cod said:
Based on deficit claims the French government has told, not asked or even tried to persuade, the people they must sacrifice for the greater good of the economy, while they refuse to be subjected to the same changes.
Aren't you're mixing up the executive with the legislature?
 

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Aren't you're mixing up the executive with the legislature?
The amendment applies to the pensions of both. It was voted down with almost total unanimity which means that even the Parti Caviar Socialiste were keen to keep their place at the trough.
 

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The amendment applies to the pensions of both. It was voted down with almost total unanimity which means that even the Parti Caviar Socialiste were keen to keep their place at the trough.
It's clear that Parliament has voted against the proposal.

But has the executive also set its face against it?

I don't follow French politics but I know there's a separation between the legislature and the executive, with the latter featuring the President, along with the Prime Minister and his cabinet.

Accordingly, just because Parliament votes against something doesn't mean the French government is against it.

Do you know if the proposal in question was proposed by the government (council of ministers), or by Members of Parliament?
Looking at the title ("présente par..."), those seem to be members of the National Assembley, making it look like a proposal from certain parliamentarians that was voted down by others parliamentarians and not involving the government either way.
 

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The law was presented by Rep. François de Rugy of the Greens who wanted parliment and government pensions reformed as well as an stopping the accumulation of seperate retirements (in France it is still possible for a politician to have multiple jobs at the same time i.e. mayor of his home town, member of the conseille regionale, represenative, minister etc)

Ministre du Travail (Work) Éric Woerth has said that it is a matter for the Assemble Office and bang! Voted down. THey didn't even have to strike.
 

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Our fellas are the same. The TD and Minsiterial pensions kick in before retirement date. There is absolutely no similarities in their pension regimne as to that of everyone else.
 

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This is the new Europe folks. They're tried it out on us and we sat back and took it. Next stop France.

The workers of Europe need to unite in a really meaningful way. Then we will really have a proper European Union.
 

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The law was presented by Rep. François de Rugy of the Greens who wanted parliment and government pensions reformed as well as an stopping the accumulation of seperate retirements (in France it is still possible for a politician to have multiple jobs at the same time i.e. mayor of his home town, member of the conseille regionale, represenative, minister etc)

Ministre du Travail (Work) Éric Woerth has said that it is a matter for the Assemble Office and bang! Voted down. THey didn't even have to strike.
That being the case, where does the French government come into it? Did members of that government exercise their parliamentary votes against the proposal?
 

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I don't see what all the fuss is about.
The standard of living has increased exponentially over the last few decades, especially in emergent countries like Ireland. People are much healthier and are capable of staying in gainful employment for much longer than they ever were before.
As the life expectancy of a country grows, the proportion of its population which is older then the legal cutoff for employment increases relative to the rest of the population. This growing segment of non-productive people creates an enormous burden on the rest of society in the form of social welfare payments, health costs, etc.
This phenomenon is called population greying and is especially prevalent in countries like France and Japan.
There are three solutions a society can choose when faced with a grey catastrophe:

1. They can suffer a permanent and ever-increasing financial burden on the national economy.
2. They can artificially decrease average life expectancy by passing legislation that lifts the ban on things like euthanasia.
3. They can steadily increase the retirement age in line with life expectancy so that people retire at the same medical age, rather than the numerical total of years they have lived.

Now which of these three options represents the most humane way to address the problem?
 

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They probably went on a fact finding mission to leinster house, how to ride your people while protecting yourself in 5 easy steps.
 

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It's as if they really don't give a sh*t what anyone thinks as they will do what ever they want.
Sure if you had everybody covered by CCTV, all their personal details, hordes of cops with riot gear and an army behind you, then what would you do?

I think if I was in that position you'd all have to do exactly whatever I say.
 


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