Frontline 1 Nov 2010 - The people who want to keep things out of our back yards

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Frontline tonight will be about the people and organisations who are against pylons, incincerators and things they don't want in their (and our) backyards.

Campaigners v companies

Some of the most passionate arguments in Ireland in recent years have been about local communities objecting to incinerators, pylons, wind farms or roads.

These campaigns have often been successful in delaying or scuppering a project that many people feel will damage their health or their environment. But business groups and others say we live in a "culture of objection" where it's nearly impossible to get anything done.

Tonight we'll bring the two sides together - campaigners against incinerators and pylons will put their case directly to the companies involved, Covanta and Eirgrid, and we'll deal with wind farms and roads too.
The Frontline - RT News

RTE Frontline is on RTÉ One (Ireland) tonight at 10.35pm.
 


Sync

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Gosh I hope we get a few anti-Windmillers as well. Will have to tape it, promises to be a laugh.
 

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This will be a crankfest. I already feel sorry for the poor representatives of the electricity companies.
 

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These are the kinds of problems and issues that a country runs into when it allowed and encourage a wide dispersal of the population outside of urban areas. No matter where you build something there is always someone to object. Sometimes the greater good requires these developments to take place.
 

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The Greens will be able to hold their annual convention in RTE tonight so - kill two birds with one stone (yes, pun intended). :)
 

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Gosh I hope we get a few anti-Windmillers as well. Will have to tape it, promises to be a laugh.
They crack me up, literally complaining about the noise of the wind.

The part that annoys me are the so-called professional objectors, the likes of the crusties-up-the-trees at the glen of the downs, or the carrickminders, or to bring things up to date the shell to sea ditchpigs.
 

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Clearly, going to be a very stupid programme aimed at discrediting people who have legitimate concerns about these things. Pat obediently plying the government line, as ever.
 

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We don't actually do planning in this country. When it comes to deciding where to locate controversial projects that fact means no one really knows where the parameters are.

Result is harmful all round. Developers don't know where they stand and neither does anyone else. That is not a good situation for anyone.

Example: The toxic incinerator promoted for Ringaskiddy is attempting to squeeze onto a site with a crumbling shoreline on one side, which is liable to frequent flooding contrary to DoE statutory guidelines and WHO recommendations, and is in the one part of the County where contract incineration is contrary to the democratically adopted Development Plan since 2003. NIMBY does not carry water seeing as the locals already have five or more incinerators in their backyard.

Oh and Cobh, a mile upwind (with Haulbowline in between) has 143 percent of the expected cancer rate for its population. So a whole raft of doctors from the town, supported by internationally recognised specialists, counsel against the application.

I expect a dialogue of the deaf on Frontline, which would be a pity.
 

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We should outlaw objections to toxic dumps, deforestation, river pollution, road-building in protected mountain habitats etc. Absolutely nothing wrong with those activities as long as a corporation makes a nice fat profit.

Eastern Europe was a clean industrial paradise before the fall of communism. There were no NIMBY objectors, or if there were, they were shipped off to Siberian gulags. We should follow this good example and look after the interests of big business and politicians. Screw the environment and chuck the locals in jail.
 

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We should outlaw objections to toxic dumps, deforestation, river pollution, road-building in protected mountain habitats etc. Absolutely nothing wrong with those activities as long as a corporation makes a nice fat profit.

Eastern Europe was a clean industrial paradise before the fall of communism. There were no NIMBY objectors, or if there were, they were shipped off to Siberian gulags. We should follow this good example and look after the interests of big business and politicians. Screw the environment and chuck the locals in jail.
I don't think anyone's suggesting we build an expensive Gulag to store the loons.
 

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Most economists think incineration is a good idea, same for pylons and motorways. Windmills are a different kettle of fish. In the UK they maintain that they cost 30% more than conventional gas based electricity. It is also argued that they don't reduce emissions because of on-off gas back up. That's before we even get to their impact on the visual amenity.

I wonder will this difference be identified on the show.
 

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Why on earth should we care what economists think about such things?
They are the secular clergy, constantly talking about things they know nothing about. The objectors are following a long tradition - one of the first dual carriageway roads was built on the Bray road to avoid demolishing a fairy tree, the superstition nowadays is usually wrapped in a few scientific buzzwords taken from wikipedia;)
 

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These are the kinds of problems and issues that a country runs into when it allowed and encourage a wide dispersal of the population outside of urban areas. No matter where you build something there is always someone to object. Sometimes the greater good requires these developments to take place.
Incinerator, Ringsend, Dublin 4, don't think that was a "rural" problem!
 

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Why on earth should we care what economists think about such things?
All people really care about is the money in their back pockets. Get that right and you (political party) will go a long way.
 

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Where would you locate such a facility? There would probably be a lot of objections.
Perhaps we could lay our hands on some EU structural funding to create a new statelet where all the loons could be deported to, of course we would have to build all the infrastructure there for them first because otherwise they would find themselves living in the open air and exposed to the environmental elements due to all the planning objections :D
 


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