• Due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software, some users were "banned" when they tried to change their passwords at the end of February. This does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you were affected by this, please us viua the Contact us link in the footer.

Full State apology on Magdalene laundries to be issued today


Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
28,776
Kenny to issue Magdalene apology - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 19, 2013

Taoiseach Enda Kenny is expected to make a full state apology to survivors of the Magdalene laundries today.

At least 20 women who had been in Magdalene laundries will attend the Dáil debate this evening on the McAleese report. They will sit in the public gallery along with family, friends and representatives of advocacy groups which have been fighting their cause.

At 6pm, as that debate begins, the women expect to witness an apology by Mr Kenny on behalf of the people of Ireland for ignoring them and their treatment at the 10 laundries in the Republic between 1922 and 1996
Should be interesting. The best case scenario would seem to be Kenny issuing a full and unambiguous statement, similar to the lauded Cameron bloody Sunday apology. It's been a long time coming.

It's not just fuzzy feelings though, Kenny will also speak about financial compensation, as well as other offers such as education, health care etc to make up for the abuse and pain they suffered.

The question will be how much compensation and to whom. The protest groups are mooting a flat rate of 100k, but there still seems to be questions as to how many people would actually receive such a figure. The state is responsible for moving 25% of the girls into the homes, but it's not unfair to assume that not all girls would have been abused. It seems overkill to give someone who entered the home for less than a year the same amount as someone who was there for 3 years and suffered abuse.

The question of what to do in relation to those who have passed away would also need to be answered.

Big day in the Dail, and for Kenny.
 


IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
I am sure an apology will be forthcoming.

There are I am sure many who should apologise. Many of the families of the Magdalene Laundries have questions to answer too.

Only about a quarter of the Magdalene Women were committed by the State. Is the State expected to compensate all of them?

Why were so many of them committed by the Courts? Was it an alternative to a prison sentence because they were pregnant?

How much compensation should be paid and how much cuts would people bear to pay compensation?
 

RobertW

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2011
Messages
20,483
It is a big day and long overdue for those who suffered.

They fought back.

Fought for their justice and they won.

Today is their day and, yet again, another day for which a sitting Taoiseach has to apologise for criminality, abuse and neglect carried out by so-called religious organisations and ignored by the establishment.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
If there is compensation it would be better to pay €5,000 a year than a lump sum of €100,000 or €200,000.
 
Joined
Oct 8, 2011
Messages
40,632
Kenny to issue Magdalene apology - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 19, 2013



Should be interesting. The best case scenario would seem to be Kenny issuing a full and unambiguous statement, similar to the lauded Cameron bloody Sunday apology. It's been a long time coming.

It's not just fuzzy feelings though, Kenny will also speak about financial compensation, as well as other offers such as education, health care etc to make up for the abuse and pain they suffered.

The question will be how much compensation and to whom. The protest groups are mooting a flat rate of 100k, but there still seems to be questions as to how many people would actually receive such a figure. The state is responsible for moving 25% of the girls into the homes, but it's not unfair to assume that not all girls would have been abused. It seems overkill to give someone who entered the home for less than a year the same amount as someone who was there for 3 years and suffered abuse.

The question of what to do in relation to those who have passed away would also need to be answered.

Big day in the Dail, and for Kenny.
From a few readings of the report, it would appear that those who were sent to the laundries by the courts were at least sent there under a form of supervision; they were also aware of their rights. They probably had it easier and for a shorter duration than other victims.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
From a few readings of the report, it would appear that those who were sent to the laundries by the courts were at least sent there under a form of supervision; they were also aware of their rights. They probably had it easier and for a shorter duration than other victims.
Why would we be compensating peole sent there by the Courts? Are prison inmates to be compensated next?
 

Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
28,776
Why would we be compensating peole sent there by the Courts? Are prison inmates to be compensated next?
If they were abused by staff in those prisons, then yes. The courts were a state body, if the state mandates your incarceration in an unregulated control free environment where abuse occurs, then that's on the state.
 
D

Dylan2010

The compensation must start flowing from those religious orders, they still seem to be sitting on a lot of prime property in Dublin and elsewhere.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
If they were abused by staff in those prisons, then yes. The courts were a state body, if the state mandates your incarceration in an unregulated control free environment where abuse occurs, then that's on the state.
We can hardly assume that every single on of them were abused and if they were they must have been abused to different degrees?

Are the abusers not to pay any compensation?

Surely there must have been some people who were not abused?
 

Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
28,776
We can hardly assume that every single on of them were abused and if they were they must have been abused to different degrees?
Who here has made that assumption?

Are the abusers not to pay any compensation?
I'm open to correction, but I thought the asylums fell under the deal reached between FF and the church. If that's the case the abusers have paid as much as they're going to. Ultimately that's a seperate matter. This is about the state's responsiblity in the affair.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
Will the Magdlene Mothers who gave up their children, or had them taken from them, make their full details available so their adopted children can trace them?
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
Who here has made that assumption?



I'm open to correction, but I thought the asylums fell under the deal reached between FF and the church. If that's the case the abusers have paid as much as they're going to. Ultimately that's a seperate matter. This is about the state's responsiblity in the affair.
If the Magdalene laundries were within the Redress Scheme why was compensation not paid to the inmates?
 

Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
28,776
If the Magdalene laundries were within the Redress Scheme why was compensation not paid to the inmates?
The agreement was between the church and the govt. The church would pay €130 million towards the abuse costs, then the govt would make up the balance. It wasn't a case were that represented the end to claims, simply the end on what the church would pay towards those claims.

Again, I'm not certain the asylums fell under that agreement.
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
The agreement was between the church and the govt. The church would pay €130 million towards the abuse costs, then the govt would make up the balance. It wasn't a case were that represented the end to claims, simply the end on what the church would pay towards those claims.

Again, I'm not certain the asylums fell under that agreement.
Did the Church not have to make disclosure at the time of the scope of its sins as it were?

Can you imagine asking an insurance company for an indemnification and not declaring all your misdeeds? The insurance company would not honour the deal if more concealed misdeeds were revealed would they?
 

IbrahaimMohamad

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
4,221
I fail to understand the significance of a state apology.
Compensation must follow if the State admits it has wronged people!

The demand anfor an apology is an demand for compensation.

You won't see a headline such as " Kenny must compensate Magdelene Women with your money!"
 

Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
28,776
Did the Church not have to make disclosure at the time of the scope of its sins as it were?

Can you imagine asking an insurance company for an indemnification and not declaring all your misdeeds? The insurance company would not honour the deal if more concealed misdeeds were revealed would they?
The only answer I'm afraid is that (given FF made the deal for 128 million and it's going to cost around 10 times that) Michael Woods is a moron.
 

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top