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Gaddafi- Eccentric Nutjob, Evil Despot or Excellent Statesman?


seanmacc

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I have always reserved judgment on Colonel Gaddafi. Lybia is a country we rarely ever hear about and is doors are practically closed to foreigners. In terms of its neighbors Libya is fairly well off and poverty levels are fairly low which is one thing the Colonel may be able to take credit for when you look at the other oil rich countries in the region. Also the Libyan nuclear programme seemed to take the whole world by surprise.

If you look on the other side of the coin the guy has made some interest decisions over the years and never adheres to the normal rules of diplomacy. His bodyguards image screams madman to me. His decisions to alienate himself by supplying every Guerrilla force that ever had an issue with the west. He famously called off an International Soccer match he was attending because he thought it was pointless as both teams were the same country. Always an advocate of African Union. On re-establisihing ties with Britain when Tony Blair went to visit to Tripoli he forced the motorcade to pass the bombed out shells of buildings Reagan and Thatcher gave the order to destroy during the 80s.

How is the West even surprised with his actions following the release of the supposed Lockerbie bomber?

 

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The USA killed his daughter (adopted I believe) in a bombing raid on Libya in the 80's. Imagine Gaddafi had bombed the White House and killed the President of the USA's daughter?
The US just put it down to collateral damage and moved on. Easy for them.
 

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The USA killed his daughter (adopted I believe) in a bombing raid on Libya in the 80's. Imagine Gaddafi had bombed the White House and killed the President of the USA's daughter?
The US just put it down to collateral damage and moved on. Easy for them.
He made fools out of his people which I regard as a crime, because `I worked there for years and they're really nice people. He denied them the fruits of their labour, inventing a currency which no-one except the Maltese would recognise. This led to massive corruption and the isolation led to the exploitation of the oilfields by the use of the lowest technology around.
All the while the Americans were running the oilfields for their own benefit and hiding behind false fronted Libyan companies. His attempts to be self-sufficient were crazy, leading to shortages of everything. His good points were that he took the bearded ones - usually infiltrating from Egypt - and dropped them out of helicopters in the Sea of Sand.
His Little Green Book - a mishmash of socialism and Pan-Africanism - led to a society where the young could join his outfit, wear a leather jacket, blue jeans and carry a Browning. But all in all, just a nut but not as bad as some. After the bombing, ex-pat workers were called to their various canteens etc and told that they were not to blame for the actions of Reagan and were welcome to stay.
 

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Was the Lockerbie bomber the Locerbie bomber? The US shot down and Iranian civilain aircraft 6 months prior and it seems feasible Lockerbie was Iranian retaliation.

Gaddafi seems a nice guy, he allows refugees from neighbouring African states settle in Libya with no problems. He is an AU advocate and a fine leader. I am not sure western democracy suits Arab nations. Morocco and Jordan have parliaments but the king is all powerful. In comparison to those states Libya is a bastion of liberalism, as people have more rights in Libya than many parts of the Arab world.
 

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Was the Lockerbie bomber the Locerbie bomber? The US shot down and Iranian civilain aircraft 6 months prior and it seems feasible Lockerbie was Iranian retaliation.

Gaddafi seems a nice guy, he allows refugees from neighbouring African states settle in Libya with no problems. He is an AU advocate and a fine leader. I am not sure western democracy suits Arab nations. Morocco and Jordan have parliaments but the king is all powerful. In comparison to those states Libya is a bastion of liberalism, as people have more rights in Libya than many parts of the Arab world.
They're Berbers, largely, not Arabs. Libyans don't much like Arabs.
 

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All of the above and more.
 

Dr Qasim Afridi

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Qadhafi is a British puppet and has killed hundreds of innocent people (including young university students) after brutally torturing them... He acts all innocent but in reality he is a tyrant with no shame...

He has destroyed the economy of a wealthy land... Like the rest of the Muslim world his people are miserable and suffering trying to make two ends meet on a day to day basis... The only people who have benefited hugely from his 4 decades of useless government are his own extended family members... (and the British of course)... Libya has its own version of Stasi which openly operates and takes out anyone who would dare criticize the government in any form...
 

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Qadhafi is a British puppet and has killed hundreds of innocent people (including young university students) after brutally torturing them... He acts all innocent but in reality he is a tyrant with no shame...

He has destroyed the economy of a wealthy land... Like the rest of the Muslim world his people are miserable and suffering trying to make two ends meet on a day to day basis... The only people who have benefited hugely from his 4 decades of useless government are his own extended family members... (and the British of course)... Libya has its own version of Stasi which openly operates and takes out anyone who would dare criticize the government in any form...
I'd wondered about his kids. He seems to have an absolute heap of them scattered all over the world. They seem to have gotten the best of everything.
A lot of what the man has done over the years has been clouded by Western propaganda. Not to say he is squeeky clean by any streach of the imagination, he seems to be a corrupt as hell. My admiration for him really extends to how he treats the major Western powers and how he seems to of gotten away with it for so long.
 

Dr Qasim Afridi

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I'd wondered about his kids. He seems to have an absolute heap of them scattered all over the world. They seem to have gotten the best of everything.
A lot of what the man has done over the years has been clouded by Western propaganda. Not to say he is squeeky clean by any streach of the imagination, he seems to be a corrupt as hell. My admiration for him really extends to how he treats the major Western powers and how he seems to of gotten away with it for so long.
It does nt matter sean... as long as he is helping one side in the colonialist chess game, his antics really dont matter... The Americans would love to have someone on their side in Libya (like they have Mubarak in Egypt) but Qadhafi has proved to be a loyal British Dog so far and thus kept in power with London's blessings...
 

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Libya marks 40 years of Gaddafi

Al Jazeera English - Africa - Libya marks 40 years of Gaddafi

The whole thing with Gaddafi is very interesting... Here we have a bloody vampire imposed upon poor people of Libya... Yet he continues to enjoy the blessings of the European Community... Why?

In the following I am attempting to explain a few things about this person Gaddafi... Perhaps it would be an eye opener for many...

Gaddafi became trained as a British Dog at Sandhurst... For the past 40 years he has remained the self proclaimed leader of a so called revolution in Libya... In reality he gained loyalties by spreading the huge state funds around and killed his opponents without any mercy...

After September 11 Libya was hot on the list of Neo Cons for a regime change... This would not have been good for the Europeans... Europe relies hugely on Russia for its energy needs... Libya has huge oil reserves and Europe needs to diversify its sources of Energy supply... away from Russia... The only alternative to Russia is the Middle East and North Africa... as for the Persian Gulf... it is under the patronage of the Americans...

Gaddafi implemented his barbarism what he called Islamic socialism... Oil rich country yet majority of the people remaining poor... and very talented people too... I know about Libyans who escaped the persecution of Gaddafi and his minions and are millionaires today thru their entrepreneurship...

The British used him brilliantly... They used him to infiltrate the IRA... They used him to control what they could in Africa... Great benefits of Libyan Oil... Currently British exports to Libya runs in hundred millions of pounds... and then Tony Blair saved Gaddafi from the NeoCons by exposing Abdul Kadeer Khan of Pakistan who was trying to sell WMDs to Libya...

and today we have a situation that Gaddafi is back in business... Despite the fact that the western governments know of his evil and tyranny the European countries are turning a blind eye towards all that... Why?

Because for western capitalist states benefit is more important than any principle... Where are the human rights that these government talks about? Perhaps Libyans and those who suffered under Gaddafis brutality were not human...

and heres another story to prove my point...

President Hans-Rudolf Merz's of Switzerland offered an apology to Libya on the same day as al-Megrahi's release... Merz travelled to Tripoli to apologize in person for the arrest in July 2008 of Hannibal Gadhafi who is the son of Libyan President Moammar Gaddafi and his pregnant wife by Geneva police... who claimed that the two were abusing their servants in a Geneva luxury hotel... The incident last year led the Libyan leader to cut off oil exports to Switzerland...

So in conclusion we find once again that the leaders of Europe who indulge in this kind of "diplomacy" have no principles neither any shame...

Right.. Time for me to claim money for my rubber duck!!!
 

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I have always reserved judgment on Colonel Gaddafi. Lybia is a country we rarely ever hear about and is doors are practically closed to foreigners. In terms of its neighbors Libya is fairly well off and poverty levels are fairly low which is one thing the Colonel may be able to take credit for when you look at the other oil rich countries in the region. Also the Libyan nuclear programme seemed to take the whole world by surprise.

If you look on the other side of the coin the guy has made some interest decisions over the years and never adheres to the normal rules of diplomacy. His bodyguards image screams madman to me. His decisions to alienate himself by supplying every Guerrilla force that ever had an issue with the west. He famously called off an International Soccer match he was attending because he thought it was pointless as both teams were the same country. Always an advocate of African Union. On re-establisihing ties with Britain when Tony Blair went to visit to Tripoli he forced the motorcade to pass the bombed out shells of buildings Reagan and Thatcher gave the order to destroy during the 80s.

How is the West even surprised with his actions following the release of the supposed Lockerbie bomber?

My vote is for cokehead, rapist, and kleptocrat, and that's already on the record.



http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/217322-gaddafi-libya-serial-sexual-abuser-young-women.html#post7316611
 

Levellers

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Qadhafi is a British puppet and has killed hundreds of innocent people (including young university students) after brutally torturing them... He acts all innocent but in reality he is a tyrant with no shame...

He has destroyed the economy of a wealthy land... Like the rest of the Muslim world his people are miserable and suffering trying to make two ends meet on a day to day basis... The only people who have benefited hugely from his 4 decades of useless government are his own extended family members... (and the British of course)... Libya has its own version of Stasi which openly operates and takes out anyone who would dare criticize the government in any form...
Libyans had the highest living standards in Africa - higher than even Saudi Arabia.
 

Ren84

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Who's "they"? Mad Dog's African currency project was going nowhere, countries like South Africa and other rich African states wanted nothing to do with an "Afro" currency. "They" didn't need to kill him (whoever the fukk "they" are. The voices in Pills head no doubt), Gaddafi's plan was DOA no sooner than it was proposed.

I also find it highly amusing to hear the same people endorse Gaddafi's pan-African vision (a laudable concept in fairness) while also being some of fiercest critics of pan-European cooperation closer to home. It's like these people want Europe to be a failure and Africa a success as punishment for Europe's colonial past. A most peculiar mindset.
 

Telstar 62

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Libyans had the highest living standards in Africa - higher than even Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, you Republicans always thought that Gaddafi was great stuff altogether.:rolleyes:

Free shipments of guns and explosives came complete with rose tinted glasses....;)
 
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