Gaels in Ireland... and Gaill (Meiriceánaigh)

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Reading and debating on this thread I started yesterday about the all-Irish naming policy possibly coming into Fingal I have been struck again by the anti-Irish language attitude some have. But hardly any of them are West-Brits. They are more Anglo-American culturally and probably don't have many if any distinctive Irish traits but they are probably more influenced by American culture than English culture (although ironically on the matter of naming residential developments we have been influenced a lot by strict English culture). If they don't like the Irish language or don't think that it is a desired language generally I would say that they are not true gaels. You don't have to speak fluent Irish to be a true gael in my view (and I am not even totally fluent either) but I think that if you don't like the Irish language and do not consider it desirable to be able to speak it and you are Irish that you are a gall. You could say a colonised Irish person except that today you are colonised by Anglo-American culture as distinct from Anglo culture. So perhaps the term should be a 'gall Meiriceánach'?

Considering that the term West-Brit does not apply to hardly anyone in Ireland (even the English people in Ireland have more interest in indigenous Irish culture then the nihilistic Gaill Meiricéanaigh do) it holds no water when you throw it at people. So again, perhaps we should use the term gall Meiriceánach a lot more often.
 
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You should try and pass a law mandating that people are referred to like that. People love being told how to speak, it'd really make the phrase popular.
 

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You should try and pass a law mandating that people are referred to like that. People love being told how to speak, it'd really make the phrase popular.

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Eh, no I wouldn't be in favour of a law on this. :| But the term should perhaps replace the out-of-date West Brit.
 

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Sure. We certainly need another moronic phrase to replace an older moronic phrase. Now we've settled that, let's think of a new word for Honky.
 

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The universe doesn't like a vacumn as M. Scott Peck said and the people I am talking about never or generally never express any pride in being Irish or have any respect for Irish culture so they should not be surprised when they are termed gaill-Meireánaigh or Anglo-Americans.
 

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It's this sort of bollixology that stands in the way of language revival IMO.
It's like any minority cause unfortunately, the zealot loons always take away from the main discussion.
 

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Sure. We certainly need another moronic phrase to replace an older moronic phrase. Now we've settled that, let's think of a new word for Honky.
Now Sync I have read some of your posts on the Fingal tread regarding the Irish language. I wouldn't describe you as a West Brit as such. I would say you have more of an inferiority complex about being Irish.
 

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It's like any minority cause unfortunately, the zealot loons always take away from the main discussion.
I would say that anyone who is Irish and who does not have a good amount of patriotism is not in the main- in terms of representation anyway.
 

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Now Sync I have read some of your posts on the Fingal tread regarding the Irish language. I wouldn't describe you as a West Brit as such. I would say you have more of an inferiority complex about being Irish.
How hard did you read my posts in the Fingal thread?
 

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I don't recall Sync debating on that thread. You raise another point. I suppose a significant number of the same people do have an inferiority complex but most are just hate filed gaill-Meireánaigh empty vessels.
 

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The universe doesn't like a vacumn as M. Scott Peck said and the people I am talking about never or generally never express any pride in being Irish or have any respect for Irish culture so they should not be surprised when they are termed gaill-Meireánaigh or Anglo-Americans.
Oh I have enormous respect for and take delight in Irish culture - especially the work of Swift, Joyce,Yeats, Shaw, O'Casey, Beckett, McGahern, Seamus Heaney, Colm Tóibín and many more. It is a particular pleasure that their work is a beacon of Irish culture across english speaking world. I suppose I must be a gaill-Meireánaigh .
 

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Oh I have enormous respect for and take delight in Irish culture - especially the work of Swift, Joyce,Yeats, Shaw, O'Casey, Beckett, McGahern, Seamus Heaney, Colm Tóibín and many more. It is a particular pleasure that their work is a beacon of Irish culture across english speaking world. I suppose I must be a gaill-Meireánaigh .
I am sure you could be a gall-Meireánach and a gael. Do you see yourself as being a gael as a matter of interest?
 

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I would be friends with some people who wouldn't see themselves as being gaeil. I don't have a problem with people who come moreso from Anglo-American stock. In relation specifically to Irish nobody in their family may never have spoken it and so it is not easy to expect them to. I do not like the hatred though by an element of the same people. Most of them don't come from traditional Anglo-Irish stock in the classic cultured sense though. I think they have long forgotten where they came from, if they ever knew. They have no interest in history. So what I am saying is that I don't like the hate-filled cranks or people against the promotion of policies promoting the Irish language if they are deemed to be necessary.
 

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Darren, you really know how to lose sympathy. I wonder is it something someone is tainted with by Fine Gael membership?
 

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Drivel of the highest order. Gall means non Gael, not Anglo. You may have heard of the Gall Oglaigh or Gallowglasses. They, for example were Scottish.

As an enthusiast for Irish, you are nearly putting me off. God knows what you are doing to neutrals.

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Darren, you really know how to lose sympathy. I wonder is it something someone is tainted with by Fine Gael membership?
Doesn't he? He also seems to exhibit extreme black/white thinking. What of those who have little knowledge or interest in Irish but do not draw their influences primarily from English or American sources?
 

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Doesn't he? He also seems to exhibit extreme black/white thinking. What of those who have little knowledge or interest in Irish but do not draw their influences primarily from English or American sources?
And who are Irish. Like who?
 


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