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Galway Belfast Motorway.

rant_and_rave

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Should a motorway be built from Galway to Belfast via Tuam, Carrick On Shannon, Enniskillen and Dungannon linking up with the M1? That would really open up the west.
 


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Because our transport links on this island are crap and condemn huge swathes of the country to perpetual underdevelopment?

For 90 bloody years we've been building radial roads from Dublin with all the cack-handed gombeenism and concentration of activity that that entails. Report after bloody report has pointed out how stupid this is in every single decade since the 1950s. Yet we persist in doing it.

If yer gonna spend billions on a modern road network then at least have it on some sort of a grid pattern that ensures as much of the island as possible isn't too far away from transport and telecoms links.

This isn't some sort of mystical voodoo people, it's simple bog-standard bloody obvious common sense, yet it seems utterly beyond the inbred drooling morons that run this country, north and south. Sure the Belfast-Dublin road still isn't motorway standard the whole way, and as for Belfast-Derry....

Jaysus, what is wrong with Official Ireland?
 

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According to the northern Ireland statistics office, Galway does not count as a city, i.e. a population less than 75,000. And would instead be classed as a large town. Tuam with it's 8,000 population would qualify as a small town. Carrick on Shannon would be considered a village with it's 3,000 inhabitants.

Why connect Galway to Belfast? is there a signifigant amount of journeys by car? keep in mind that Derry to Belfast is not motorway, a signifigant portion of Dublin Belfast is only dual carriageway, there is no dual carriageway at present or planned for Carrick on Shannon because it is a village. In the future Carrick may gat a dual carriageway but only on the Dublin to Sligo route. It is not feasable to connect every small village to every other small village by motorway, the demand simply doesn't exist.
 

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Because our transport links on this island are crap and condemn huge swathes of the country to perpetual underdevelopment?

For 90 bloody years we've been building radial roads from Dublin with all the cack-handed gombeenism and concentration of activity that that entails. Report after bloody report has pointed out how stupid this is in every single decade since the 1950s. Yet we persist in doing it.

If yer gonna spend billions on a modern road network then at least have it on some sort of a grid pattern that ensures as much of the island as possible isn't too far away from transport and telecoms links.

This isn't some sort of mystical voodoo people, it's simple bog-standard bloody obvious common sense, yet it seems utterly beyond the inbred drooling morons that run this country, north and south. Sure the Belfast-Dublin road still isn't motorway standard the whole way, and as for Belfast-Derry....

Jaysus, what is wrong with Official Ireland?

Official Ireland has been divided by your racist border, You support it, don't you?
 

YoungLiberal

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Because our transport links on this island are crap and condemn huge swathes of the country to perpetual underdevelopment?

For 90 bloody years we've been building radial roads from Dublin with all the cack-handed gombeenism and concentration of activity that that entails. Report after bloody report has pointed out how stupid this is in every single decade since the 1950s. Yet we persist in doing it.

If yer gonna spend billions on a modern road network then at least have it on some sort of a grid pattern that ensures as much of the island as possible isn't too far away from transport and telecoms links.

This isn't some sort of mystical voodoo people, it's simple bog-standard bloody obvious common sense, yet it seems utterly beyond the inbred drooling morons that run this country, north and south. Sure the Belfast-Dublin road still isn't motorway standard the whole way, and as for Belfast-Derry....

Jaysus, what is wrong with Official Ireland?
Really? I'd be amazed if there was report advocating what is basically a town of 80,000 people be linked to a small sized city, by motorway. I can't that imagine there's that much travel from the North East of the country to Connaught, certainly not enought to warrant a motorway. Even if there was (which I'd be amazed) there's still Dublin's rail network to complete, which there's ever slightly more demand for.
 

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Official Ireland has been divided by your racist border, You support it, don't you?
Please go away child, yer as bad as that tool stendec for jumping feet-first into threads just to yahoo and holler mindless uninformed gibberish, and then running away.
 

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Please go away child, yer as bad as that tool stendec for jumping feet-first into threads just to yahoo and holler mindless uninformed gibberish, and then running away.

Your hundreth name? Worthless Troll.
 

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Really? I'd be amazed if there was report advocating what is basically a town of 80,000 people be linked to a small sized city, by motorway.
:rolleyes:

You, as always, miss the bloody point.

The road network should be designed in such a way that from any point on the island you are not too far from the transport grid. And getting from one urban centre to another should not force a choice between always travelling via Dublin; or travelling on crap minor roads.

The radial-from-Dublin road network is just stupid and it means huge chunks of the country can never be economically developed as they are just too bloody far from viable transport links.

Getting from Galway to Belfast as things stand is a major, major exercise even by car. As yes I have had need to do that journey, many times. Tried it on public transport once, absolute nightmare. For two hubs less than 200 miles apart this is just stupid.

The entire NW quadrant of the island has appallingly bad transportation links. By amazing coincidence :rolleyes: the NW quadrant of the island is also poor and underdeveloped with the highest unemployment and the least contribution to the economy.

Honestly, has this entire country been lobotomised or something? The amount of sheer braindead idiocy that splurges forth like a mighty torrent of imbecility, every hour of every day.
 

charley

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you will be lucky to get the potholes filled in the existing road never mind a motorway.
 

cgcsb2

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slightly more demand for.
Also we would we be looking at a cost for this above €1bn? how much would be contributed by the NI assembly? very little if any I'd imagine.

That money could get us about 3 luas lines, which would easily generate huge passanger numbers. It could be used to grade seperate all the QBC's in Dublin. It's enough money to give Ireland this near-highspeed rail network:
http://www.politics.ie/transport/107100-high-speed-rail-proposal.html

It's also enough to buy the Army air corps around 50 harrier fighter jets.
It could build a the new midlands regional hospital and upgrade most of the A&E departments in the country
It could build permanent school buildings for all the children in the country being educated in porta cabins.
 

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:rolleyes:

You, as always, miss the bloody point.

The road network should be designed in such a way that from any point on the island you are not too far from the transport grid. And getting from one urban centre to another should not force a choice between always travelling via Dublin; or travelling on crap minor roads.

The radial-from-Dublin road network is just stupid and it means huge chunks of the country can never be economically developed as they are just too bloody far from viable transport links.

Getting from Galway to Belfast as things stand is a major, major exercise even by car. As yes I have had need to do that journey, many times. Tried it on public transport once, absolute nightmare. For two hubs less than 200 miles apart this is just stupid.

The entire NW quadrant of the island has appallingly bad transportation links. By amazing coincidence :rolleyes: the NW quadrant of the island is also poor and underdeveloped with the highest unemployment and the least contribution to the economy.

Honestly, has this entire country been lobotomised or something? The amount of sheer braindead idiocy that splurges forth like a mighty torrent of imbecility, every hour of every day.
First of all, calling Galway and urban 'hub' is a bit much. The NW quadrant of the country was always the poorest quadrant of the country. That's just a historical (It's lacking any sort of urban centre) and geographical (also has the worst land) fact, I don't think it's a lack of transport links that's the cause of it being the poorest part of the Island. I'm amazed that you do.

But even if we take it as a premise, that the reason the NW is a hole is because it's lacking a motorway, or a bus from Belfast to Galway, we don't have an infinite amount of money, in fact, we have very little (Yes, that's FF's fault, we know) so building a motorway from Belfast to Galway (Which in fact would bypass a lot of the NW, including all of Donegal) is ever so slightly stupid when we need to finish Dublin's rail network, which will have immediate tangiable economic and social benefits. Unlike a motorway from Galway to Belfast, which'd just be empty I suspect.
 

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There is already a bus service between Galway and Belfast, Journey time: 3-4 hours
 

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The entire NW quadrant of the island has appallingly bad transportation links. By amazing coincidence :rolleyes: the NW quadrant of the island is also poor and underdeveloped with the highest unemployment and the least contribution to the economy.
It has also got the lowest population density, which might just be a rather important factor.
 

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According to the northern Ireland statistics office, Galway does not count as a city, i.e. a population less than 75,000. And would instead be classed as a large town. Tuam with it's 8,000 population would qualify as a small town. Carrick on Shannon would be considered a village with it's 3,000 inhabitants.

Why connect Galway to Belfast? is there a signifigant amount of journeys by car? keep in mind that Derry to Belfast is not motorway, a signifigant portion of Dublin Belfast is only dual carriageway, there is no dual carriageway at present or planned for Carrick on Shannon because it is a village. In the future Carrick may gat a dual carriageway but only on the Dublin to Sligo route. It is not feasable to connect every small village to every other small village by motorway, the demand simply doesn't exist.
Wrong. There are currently plans to by-pass Carrick on Shannon and link to the Dromod- Rooskey by-pass( all dual carriageway).

I think you misread the original post. The plan would be to link Galway to Belfast,towns like Carrick would be on the route.

A link from Belfast to Galway would do a lot for the west and any extra tourism for the area would be major boost.
 

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Wrong. There are currently plans to by-pass Carrick on Shannon and link to the Dromod- Rooskey by-pass( all dual carriageway).

I think you misread the original post. The plan would be to link Galway to Belfast,towns like Carrick would be on the route.

A link from Belfast to Galway would do a lot for the west and any extra tourism for the area would be major boost.
I'm sure it would, I don't think it'd fair to well in aul cost-benefit analysis though.
 

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A link from Belfast to Galway would do a lot for the west and any extra tourism for the area would be major boost.
Meanwhile, in Dublin we spend about 1.5 hours (peaktime) on a bus jouney from Balbriggan to the City Centre. Yet you support spending around €1bn on the off chance of attracting some internal tourism, of which Galway already has an abundance.
 

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I'm sure it would, I don't think it'd fair to well in aul cost-benefit analysis though.
How do you know? Have you done a cost benefit analysis?

All the employment it would create for a start.

The benefit to the towns it would effect. Tourism, plant hire. new businesses etc.

Add in the fact that the cost now would be half of what it would have been 18 months ago and I think you might find your wrong on this one.

But you need not worry the chances that this Govt. might do anything remotely good for the country are very slim indeed.

Brains not being their strong point and all.
 


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