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Galway Bypass - Denied by busybodies and Flat Earthers.


DeathKnell

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EU court blocks bypass over fears of damage to protected limestone - Independent.ie

This ruling is against the wishes of the vast majority of the people of Galway City.
To protect 1.5% of the total hectorage of the 270 Hectares of protected limestone in the Corrib Basin, the people and city of Galway can go and hump themselves and stay stuck in cars taking an hour or more to cross the city.

Well done to Mr Sweetman. Dont show your face on the streets of Galway again.

The council and Govt. should drive on with the plan and construct the bypass. Let Mr. Sweetman and the European Court go perform self penetration acitivites.
 

sauntersplash

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Do you reject all public participation in the planning process?
 

Tea Party Patriot

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Do you reject all public participation in the planning process?
This is exactly the type of thing where the EU has no business whatsoever. The local environment should belong to the nation state and should not be the concern of a supranational organisation whose purpose was for free trade, though sadly that remit has long been lost in a sea of leftist quangos.
 

ibis

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Reroute the frigging road.
 

Ulster-Lad

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You forget that we relinquished our sovereignty. ;)
 

Picasso Republic

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This is exactly the type of thing where the EU has no business whatsoever. The local environment should belong to the nation state and should not be the concern of a supranational organisation whose purpose was for free trade, though sadly that remit has long been lost in a sea of leftist quangos.
You could apply the same logic to The Amazon, Congo Basin or Indonesian Jungles, sometimes the local public need to accept interference for the greater good - a road can be re routed, but natural habitat or an environment of special interest cannot be easily recreated.

The problem is not the plans being stopped, but how long it generally takes to amend plans - that's where improvements and changes are required.
 

Porkypie

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EU court blocks bypass over fears of damage to protected limestone - Independent.ie

This ruling is against the wishes of the vast majority of the people of Galway City.
To protect 1.5% of the total hectorage of the 270 Hectares of protected limestone in the Corrib Basin, the people and city of Galway can go and hump themselves and stay stuck in cars taking an hour or more to cross the city.


Well done to Mr Sweetman. Dont show your face on the streets of Galway again.

The council and Govt. should drive on with the plan and construct the bypass. Let Mr. Sweetman and the European Court go perform self penetration acitivites.


The good people of Galway may not agree with the result of the inquiry but you certainly come across as a bitter person. Not the way to win over support at any further inquiry. I don't think the Connaught Telegraph would print your post.
 

Clanrickard

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EU court blocks bypass over fears of damage to protected limestone - Independent.ie

This ruling is against the wishes of the vast majority of the people of Galway City.
To protect 1.5% of the total hectorage of the 270 Hectares of protected limestone in the Corrib Basin, the people and city of Galway can go and hump themselves and stay stuck in cars taking an hour or more to cross the city.

Well done to Mr Sweetman. Dont show your face on the streets of Galway again.

The council and Govt. should drive on with the plan and construct the bypass. Let Mr. Sweetman and the European Court go perform self penetration acitivites.
Well done Mr. Sweetman and the Dept. of the Environment who backed him. Irish local government bodies have an appalling record when it comes to planning and it is no harm to see manners put on them.
 

sauntersplash

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This is exactly the type of thing where the EU has no business whatsoever. The local environment should belong to the nation state and should not be the concern of a supranational organisation whose purpose was for free trade, though sadly that remit has long been lost in a sea of leftist quangos.
Saying the EUs remit should be restricted to free trade, is like saying the use of money should be restricted to purchasing livestock and axes. The concept has evolved, with a convincingly strong democratic mandate. Your criticisms are invalid at present for this reason.

Either way an Irish citizen and an Irish Government Department were responsible for the decision being taken in Europe.

So, let me get this straight. You reject the EU because of a deficit of 'nation state' legitimacy, yet you reject the democratic actions of the Irish nation state?
 

Spanner Island

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No we the people did not-----IT WAS THE fIANNA fAIL WASTERS..........LEST WE FORGET-----MICKY MARTIN .......
Plenty will willingly forget... which we're seeing in various polls (although admittedly those polls are mid term and nowhere near an election, which means come election time the numbers could change considerably)..

Having said that though, there will be plenty of a'holes who will 'go home' to the eFFing traitors come the next election because they're mentally deficient and/or beholden to the 'party' like a battered wife is to her husband...

It's pathetic... but there you go...
 
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sauntersplash

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Alas there were several.
Indeed, occasionally there were two on the same question even.

Difficult to sweep that sort of thing under the carpet. I suppose you could always draw attention to the superhuman powers of mesmerism, hypnotism and 'brainwashing' that are apparantly at the disposal of Fianna Fail members. Children and the remarkably small of brain might like to listen to that sort of thing.
 

DeathKnell

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Do you reject all public participation in the planning process?
Certainly not. But this has gone thru the proper planning process. Local objections were raised and assessed and mitigated.
What we have here is a specific problem with a rare Limestonne formation - a total of 1 hectare of which will be affected by this road. There is 269 other hectares are not touched. For this reason, one person, an environ-mentalist - objects and gets assistance to bring this to the Euro court.

Taking this in the round, the public good far outweighs the loss of less than 1% of the habitat. Why should the public have to lay out more money for a re-layout and re-planning process for this road which everyone agrees is essential to relieve traffic in Galway City.

What I'm saying is that common sense should be applied by the Govt and Council, plough on and to hell with Sweetman and the Euro Court in this case.

If its that important, make it a world heritage site like the Giants Causeway, The Amazon. This is not a world Heritage site. The people of Galway are well aware of the unique environmet around and to the west of Galway city and would not allow any despoiling of that natural heritage. Its what makes Galway, Galway.

This is madness. It gives Environmentalism a bad name. WHen pettieness becomes the norm, it turns the vast majority against listening to these people when something of genuine environmental importance comes to the table.
 

FrankSpeaks

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This is exactly the type of thing where the EU has no business whatsoever. The local environment should belong to the nation state and should not be the concern of a supranational organisation whose purpose was for free trade, though sadly that remit has long been lost in a sea of leftist quangos.
If the EU had been involved we might have been saved from that blight of one off housing, building on flood plains, building houses and apartment blocks without proper inspections, cowboy builders not putting water pipes deep enough underground, poor insulation in our houses, crap building standards.

Saying that, I think that if enough locals voted to go ahead with the development by a local referendum then I think they should be able to override the national and EU laws.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Pity such a process wasn't around when the ESB was wrecking Georgian Dublin.
 

Half Nelson

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Sweetman again?

Why does this name keep cropping up in connection with planning objections. It's not a case of NIMBY, so what's the carrot?

Councillor Johnnie O'Malley told fellow Ballina Electoral Area committee members he had serious concerns about the actions of environmental consultant Peter Sweetman. The Rathmines-based environmentalist recently objected to the second phase of the N26. According to Cllr O'Malley, Mr Sweetman - who previously blocked plans to open a government department at Knock Airport - seemed to have "a veto on economic development in Mayo."
 

sauntersplash

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Certainly not. But this has gone thru the proper planning process. Local objections were raised and assessed and mitigated.
What we have here is a specific problem with a rare Limestonne formation - a total of 1 hectare of which will be affected by this road. There is 269 other hectares are not touched. For this reason, one person, an environ-mentalist - objects and gets assistance to bring this to the Euro court.
The planning process includes the European Court. The assistance was from a government Department, the preeminent environmental organisation in the state.

Taking this in the round, the public good far outweighs the loss of less than 1% of the habitat. Why should the public have to lay out more money for a re-layout and re-planning process for this road which everyone agrees is essential to relieve traffic in Galway City.
Apparantly "everyone" does not agree What about the precedent that this would set. In five years haw can another submission to destroy another 2% of the habitat be rejected etc.? It is an are protected by national law, the only real difficulty was the administrative overlap of the implementation of legislation to protect the area. The "public good" as determined by the government disagres with you.

What I'm saying is that common sense should be applied by the Govt and Council, plough on and to hell with Sweetman and the Euro Court in this case.
What is "common sense"? Your opinion?

If its that important, make it a world heritage site like the Giants Causeway, The Amazon. This is not a world Heritage site. The people of Galway are well aware of the unique environmet around and to the west of Galway city and would not allow any despoiling of that natural heritage. Its what makes Galway, Galway.
You have contradicted yourself.

This is madness. It gives Environmentalism a bad name. WHen pettieness becomes the norm, it turns the vast majority against listening to these people when something of genuine environmental importance comes to the table.
Presumably we should refer to you when we are deciding what is a worthwhile irreplacable part of planet earth to save? Should we do it when you're stuck in traffic on the way to work, or when you're enjoying a beautiful natural amenity on a Sunday afternoon?
 
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