Ganley returns to public life



antiestablishmentarian

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Great news if true. I'd definitely support him and campaign for him. If he is right wing so much the better we need a proper right wing party in this country.
As opposed to the assorted lefties in FF, FG and Labour? :roll: There are enough right wing parties in the country. It's their disastrous reliance on 'private enterprise' which got the country into this mess, and its only been large-scale state intervention which prevented an out-and-out collapse of the economy.
 

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As opposed to the assorted lefties in FF, FG and Labour? :roll: There are enough right wing parties in the country. It's their disastrous reliance on 'private enterprise' which got the country into this mess, and its only been large-scale state intervention which prevented an out-and-out collapse of the economy.
How about:

A proper, functioning, non sleaze, right wing party?

or any collection of decent people who could run the country for the good of it's people.
 

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How many parties is this man going to set up?
He already set up Libertas which was a dismal failure
You cant just set up a political party every time you feel like it
Besides any new party he sets up will be associated with the anti EU views of Libertas - not a good idea at a time when we are depending on borrowing from the EU for our survival.
 

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Ganley supporters =/= ex-PDs
Ex-PDs = Anti-populist, middle-class, don't care about immigration
Ganley supporters = Populist, working-class albeit with some middle-class anti-tax extremists, "care about immigration" is an understatement
 

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How about:

A proper, functioning, non sleaze, right wing party?

or any collection of decent people who could run the country for the good of it's people.
Most right wing parties tend to be sleazy in some way or another: just look at the expenses and financial scandals involving the Tories and New Labour, the DUP, Sarkozy and the UMP, Berlusconi and of course our own home grown gombeen FFers.
 

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How many parties is this man going to set up?
He already set up Libertas which was a dismal failure
You cant just set up a political party every time you feel like it
Besides any new party he sets up will be associated with the anti EU views of Libertas - not a good idea at a time when we are depending on borrowing from the EU for our survival.
Well, we are where we are and all those redundant Lisbon 2 for Jobs banners could be used to fire up the incinerator down in Ringsend. :rolleyes:

There is no comparison to the monumental stupidity that is the FF party, especially the DM (thanks Jay for that) and the long suffering martyr who FF reckon is the only one who can dig us out of the huge hole the FF party got us into in the first place.

Maybe we might be able to vote for a Ganley Party soon.
 

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Hmm. Ganley has a very large target painted on him. All of the main parties would relish taking yet another slice of him. Of the smaller parties only the PDs survived politically for any length of time. The trouble is the next election is likely to bring out quite a few independent candidates , especially those who can link themselves to hospital services. He would be attempting to tap that market. Like those groups the big question is where the transfers would come from. As others have commented his last political venture was an unmitigated disaster and the disdain he show for local/national politics would go against him.
 

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Hmm. Ganley has a very large target painted on him. All of the main parties would relish taking yet another slice of him. Of the smaller parties only the PDs survived politically for any length of time. The trouble is the next election is likely to bring out quite a few independent candidates , especially those who can link themselves to hospital services. He would be attempting to tap that market. Like those groups the big question is where the transfers would come from. As others have commented his last political venture was an unmitigated disaster and the disdain he show for local/national politics would go against him.
Libertas got 100,000 votes in the NW, a very conservative part of the country. Hardly 'an unmitigated disaster' by anyone's standard.

He showed no disdain for local or national politics. In fact he was the one supporting local and national politics by not advocating out-sourcing our politics to Brussels!
 

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Throw in Constantin Gurdgiev as economic advisor and I'm there.
That could well be something worth supporting. But Ganley should put away his cheque book and build a bottom up organisation with like-minded others. The other people involved should be equals and not employees. If he does that then I'll support him.

The crisis changes everything. If we had rejected Lisbon a second time FF would be blaming Ganley for the crisis. Now we know he was the voice of sanity.
 

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Libertas got 100,000 votes in the NW, a very conservative part of the country. Hardly 'an unmitigated disaster' by anyone's standard.
No they didn't. Libertas got 69,000 votes as they only ran one candidate. Plus votes belonging to other candidates were found in Ganley's pile.

He showed no disdain for local or national politics. In fact he was the one supporting local and national politics by not advocating out-sourcing our politics to Brussels!
No, he prefers the warm, loving embrace of the US state security apparatus instead
 

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Libertas got 100,000 votes in the NW, a very conservative part of the country. Hardly 'an unmitigated disaster' by anyone's standard.

He showed no disdain for local or national politics. In fact he was the one supporting local and national politics by not advocating out-sourcing our politics to Brussels!
He did promise over 100 MEPs and got how many?
 
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john moriarty

...There are enough right wing parties in the country. It's their disastrous reliance on 'private enterprise' which got the country into this mess, ....
We don't have any right wing
parties. The two you obliquely
refer to are largely pork barrel
parish pumping populists. The
PDs lost their radical early on,
maybe even before they went
in with FF. Just confirming my
belief that we elect politicians
here not to enact good law or
to ensure good governance,
but simply to grub around for
constituency cash so they'll
look good come the election.
 
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Libertas got 100,000 votes in the NW, a very conservative part of the country.
Not according to this ElectionsIreland.org: 2009 Euro - North West First Preference Votes

also, being a very conservative part of the country was an advantage to him, not a disadvantage as you appear to be suggesting, his politics are of the right, he's very pro-business, pro-American, ran a prominent pro-life campaigner on his ticket and made much of his catholic credentials during the campaign.

Now, if you believe in all that, fine. But don't pretend that it's a liability in Connaught-Ulster!
 

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No they didn't. Libertas got 69,000 votes as they only ran one candidate. Plus votes belonging to other candidates were found in Ganley's pile.
It's fine if you are on the left. There is a good range of choices with Labour, SF, SWP, Socialist Party and Green (if they can still be called left)

But on the right there is FG who are barely on the right and FF who don't believe in letting banks go to the wall when they deserve to. So they are not really right-wing at all. They are catch-all parties really.
 

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It's fine if you are on the left. There is a good range of choices with Labour, SF, SWP, Socialist Party and Green (if they can still be called left)

But on the right there is FG who are barely on the right and FF who don't believe in letting banks go to the wall when they deserve to. So they are not really right-wing at all. They are catch-all parties really.
Yes they are because the centre is where you win elections in this country - not on the fringes.
 

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Libertas got 100,000 votes in the NW, a very conservative part of the country. Hardly 'an unmitigated disaster' by anyone's standard.
Slight exaggeration. Ganley got 67,600 first-preference votes in the most socially conservative part of the country, by going hell for leather for the 'Dana' vote.

Of course, that was across an entire European parliament constituency.

And, most importantly, not enough to get elected.

Libertas in the rest of the country was an 'unmitigated disaster' - just ask John McGuirk.

He showed no disdain for local or national politics. In fact he was the one supporting local and national politics by not advocating out-sourcing our politics to Brussels!
Even though he describes himself as an 'EU Federalist'?
 


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