Ganley returns to public life

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And how has that worked out for us? By which I mean the voters not the parties.
Well it's the way we vote and have always voted. It is our nature. No parties on the fringes with the exception of the PDs have ever convinced us that they are worth a long term punt. This is why larger parties attempt to sit full square across the centre and why B Ahern became a socialist. Most voters do not connect with political processes until we get into the final stages of an election, by which time messages have been well and truly massaged to get votes.
 


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Left wing economic policies have failed. It's time for some conservative fiscal policy.

Fair play DG.
 

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Hmm. Ganley has a very large target painted on him. All of the main parties would relish taking yet another slice of him. Of the smaller parties only the PDs survived politically for any length of time. The trouble is the next election is likely to bring out quite a few independent candidates , especially those who can link themselves to hospital services. He would be attempting to tap that market. Like those groups the big question is where the transfers would come from. As others have commented his last political venture was an unmitigated disaster and the disdain he show for local/national politics would go against him.
Ganley had every pro euro political hack targeting him during the 2 lisbon referenda.

The first time they had nothing on their side bar a few well worn cliches and they lost. The second time they had fear on their side and won.

Now these paragons of self interest and protection of the featherbedded political status quo, have been exposed. This time around the Emperors will be wearing no clothes and I for one would love to see a good communicator with Ganleys intellect take on proven liars like Lenihan and O Dea, along with hold me back Merchants like Dempsey and Ahearn.

Let the fun begin.
 

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I suppose this time he'll have a copy of the Constitution with Post-Its sticking out of it. Ganley is not a local politician and you really can't see him trying doing the chicken and chips nights and sorting out local issues.
 

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Would certainly liven up the debates in Leinster House and breathe some life into the place. The established parties are terrified of him of course, as he is not from the political class/gene pool, and isn't part of their group think approach to the national direction (or lack thereof). This was clear from their "who do you think you are, a mere citizen, to run for office?" attitude to him.

The fact that he broke this story to thejournal.ie is significant. The established media vilified him on his last attempts at politics, but now with sites like thejournal.ie, broadsheet.ie and newswhip.ie, he might be able to get more even-handed coverage. Jolitics, aiming at a less niche (and dare I say 'anorak'!) market than this site, could bring the debate to a broader audience too.

The dogma of eurozone membership at any cost is beginning to be exposed for the folly that it is, and I'd say that would be a tenet of his manifesto.

If he does decide to run again, he would do well to select better candidates than last time. It struck me as a rush job to find people prepared to stand, and the calibre was pretty low.

Interesting to see how this unfolds...
 

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Fair play to Ganley if he does decide to enter Irish politics. This country (contrary to popular belief) has no true right wing. Where are the conservatives here? Would be interesting where he would run though if he does stand. Galway seems a natural choice but he did not do very well there compared to Donegal and especially on the issue of Lisbon. Would love to see him take the seat from Mary Coughlan in Donegal SW.

This appears to have become a popular platform in America with the formation of the tea parties. Perhaps it is time here to do the same and form another party or just someone to stand willing to use common sense and not sell out the country or it's people.
 

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Why? What do you suspect/fear?
The usual sh(te, I'd imagine. All "revealed" by either the wonderful Irish political class or their media puppets.
 

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Fair play to Ganley if he does decide to enter Irish politics. This country (contrary to popular belief) has no true right wing. Where are the conservatives here? Would be interesting where he would run though if he does stand. Galway seems a natural choice but he did not do very well there compared to Donegal and especially on the issue of Lisbon. Would love to see him take the seat from Mary Coughlan in Donegal SW.

This appears to have become a popular platform in America with the formation of the tea parties. Perhaps it is time here to do the same and form another party or just someone to stand willing to use common sense and not sell out the country or it's people.
The Tea Party movement are a bunch of Sarah "I can see Russia from my House" Palin, Glenn Beck loving, no taxes, creationist, we love our guns, lets hunt some baby deer, nutjobs. That's the last thing Ireland needs. I don't think Ganley however is as bad as them. I'd like to see him run or start a party - wouldn't vote for him or support him (but I admire him to a certain extent) but the more parties we have the less disenfranchised a society we have.

But he can expect buckets of dirt thrown at him by the exisiting political parties. They'll accuse him of being everything from a criminal with links to the Russian mob to being in the pay of the NSA. they'll send RTE prowling through the snowy steets of Latvia or wherever looking for evidence that he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy. It'll almost be a Lisbon 3. But if he runs I have no doubt he will get support and will very, very possibly take a seat in the Dail, mind you he might be there alone, who knows. He missed out before but before was a VERY different time.
 

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The Tea Party movement are a bunch of Sarah "I can see Russia from my House" Palin, Glenn Beck loving, no taxes, creationist, we love our guns, lets hunt some baby deer, rightwing nutjobs. That's the last thing Ireland needs. I don't think Ganley however is as bad as them. I'd like to see him run or start a party - wouldn't vote for him or support him (but I admire him to a certain extent) but the more parties we have the less disenfranchised a society we have.

But he can expect buckets of dirt thrown at him by the exisiting political parties. They'll accuse him of being everything from a criminal with links to the Russian mob to being in the pay of the NSA. they'll send RTE prowling through the snowy steets of Latvia or wherever looking for evidence that he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy. It'll almost be a Lisbon 3. But if he runs I have no doubt he will get support and will very, very possibly take a seat in the Dail, mind you he might be there alone, who knows. He missed out before but before was a VERY different time.
The main effort in digging up information about Ganley didn't come from the main parties, who frankly don't really have the competence for that kind of investigative research. It was a genuinely grassroots effort by people who were simply opposed to Ganley. Whatever else one may choose to say about Cactusflower, PeopleKorps, or Chekov Feeney, they're hardly people who can be successfully claimed as party hacks.

Ganley didn't suffer anything out of the ordinary in a political competition during the euros, he just didn't get the adulation and coverage he got in Lisbon 1, and he certainly gave at least as good as he got, with the "Swimmer Jim" jibes and the rest of it. I'm just not sure that the support base for Libertas' somewhat confused policy basket is as widespread as p.ie might believe.

Mind you, given the support he receives here from the libertarians, the anti-secularists and the immigrationistas, maybe an Irish Tea party is exactly what he should run - and policy confusion doesn't seem to be a problem for them, although really achieving anything might be.

I'm not sure that's what Ganley would actually want though. He seems to want to do something positive, but he doesn't seem to know what it is, so up to now his entire position has been reactive - perhaps next time he should concentrate more on getting policy advice than PR advice.
 

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But he can expect buckets of dirt thrown at him by the exisiting political parties. They'll accuse him of being everything from a criminal with links to the Russian mob to being in the pay of the NSA. they'll send RTE prowling through the snowy steets of Latvia or wherever looking for evidence that he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy.
They did that already, remember? Katie Hannon rattling every gate in Riga! lol
 

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They did that already, remember? Katie Hannon rattling every gate in Riga! lol
Whatever become of the defamation claim against RTE btw? Proceedings were issued but we have not heard anything since.
 

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Whatever become of the defamation claim against RTE btw? Proceedings were issued but we have not heard anything since.
Im not aware of them ever having been withdrawn.
 

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If Ganley did stand for election in the NW, what party do you think he would take the votes from?
 

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If Ganley did stand for election in the NW, what party do you think he would take the votes from?
I'll bet there are many people in that constituency who are kicking themselves they didn't vote in Ganley - including that smalltime "developer" in the news we've been hearing about.

He has a good chance of getting in next time round.

Political system needs shaking up - if he can communicate that effectively he'll have no problem.

The time is ripe.

Go Ganley!
 

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They did that already, remember? Katie Hannon rattling every gate in Riga! lol
Yeah, I saw that programme, lol. Timber and bribes (alleged) or something or other - god, I don't even wanna start thinking what the "other" could have been, lol. Only kidding, good for him if he wants to go for it - the political scene needs a hell of a shake up. I'm of the view that the more political parties the better, preferably with a leftwing majority at the end of it all ;)
 

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The main effort in digging up information about Ganley didn't come from the main parties, who frankly don't really have the competence for that kind of investigative research. It was a genuinely grassroots effort by people who were simply opposed to Ganley. Whatever else one may choose to say about Cactusflower, PeopleKorps, or Chekov Feeney, they're hardly people who can be successfully claimed as party hacks.

Ganley didn't suffer anything out of the ordinary in a political competition during the euros, he just didn't get the adulation and coverage he got in Lisbon 1, and he certainly gave at least as good as he got, with the "Swimmer Jim" jibes and the rest of it. I'm just not sure that the support base for Libertas' somewhat confused policy basket is as widespread as p.ie might believe.

Mind you, given the support he receives here from the libertarians, the anti-secularists and the immigrationistas, maybe an Irish Tea party is exactly what he should run - and policy confusion doesn't seem to be a problem for them, although really achieving anything might be.

I'm not sure that's what Ganley would actually want though. He seems to want to do something positive, but he doesn't seem to know what it is, so up to now his entire position has been reactive - perhaps next time he should concentrate more on getting policy advice than PR advice.
Not too sure if the main political parties were so hands off as you think. I see Ganley as a rightwing, conservative, family values, immigration control, religion in schools, low taxes in principle, free market economy, deregulation all round kinda guy. A Republican basically, not in the Irish sense of the word hahaha, in the American sense. There's only one thing there I agree with: immigration control.

Yeah, I recall PeopleKorps - pushing for a Yes vote, anti-Ganley all the way. Was it spontaneous, for all we know PK was working for FF. Not saying that's so just a possibility. I remember there was some fuss about emails being exposed and online chats and so on.
 


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