Gardaí only solve 10% of crime

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Gardai lying about true crime statistics says CSO

Some very serious allegations against the Gardai from the Central Statistics Office.
The latest crime figures from the Central Statistics Office show decreases in gang related crimes such as murder, drugs and gun crime as well as significant drops in theft and burglary.

However these figures are overshadowed by another CSO report which calls in to question the reliability of these garda figures.

This report found 16% of crimes reported last year did not appear to have been recorded on the garda's PULSE computer system.

In one third of incidents of reclassified serious crime in seven categories, including assault, burglary and robbery, the report found that the gardaí had downgraded the seriousness of these crimes without justification.

37% of crimes marked as detected did not have charges or summons attached.


The status of detected, whereby criminal proceedings have begun or a decision not to prosecute has been made, was incorrectly applied to 18% of those crimes.

Removing these detections would reduce the overall number of detected crimes by 10%.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0928/819843-crime-cso/

What the hell is going on?
 


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Some very serious allegations against the Gardai from the Central Statistics Office.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0928/819843-crime-cso/

What the hell is going on?
They issued a similar report last year, obviously nothing going on to address it anyway!

Garda Reynolds report on RTE was good for a laugh. Opened by saying the 1st report is very positive for AGS in terms of reduction in certain crime rates etc & then quickly at the end said the 2nd CSO report was not so good and cast some doubt on the 1st one.

In fact the second CSO report implies the 1st, based on Garda statistics is a load of bs.
 

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Ask Noirin or Frances
Frances is probably busy dealing with (burying) the report from the HR head in AGS that was sent to her directly, so serious did he consider it. It's dealing with how Seargent Maurice McCabe has been treated in AGS since he became a whistleblower. It also concerns the curious incident of the statements from 2 officers to the O'Higgins Inquiry about McCabes motivation, the statements that never made it into O'Higgins final report.

AGS, with a few exceptions, is a cess pit.
 
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A pretty damning report from the CSO today found that Gardaí didn't bother recording 16% of crimes reported in 2015.

Of those they did manage to record a significant proportion were reclassified as less serious than they actually were.

37% of crimes marked as detected did not have any charges or summonses attached ie they weren't detected.

Some crimes were not recorded until a week after they were reported and some of those were incorrectly classified and for others there was insufficient information to determine the correct classification.

Overall, 10% of reported crime in 2015 was solved by Gardaí. An "ng" grade in old money.

The Gardaí are in need of radical root and branch reform. It's difficult to see where the leadership required to implement that will come from.

A link to the RTE report attached.

CSO: Over 1 in 6 crimes not recorded by gardaí
 

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Yet we still have low-lifes with over 100 convictions.

What the real numbers must be must be baffling. ...
 

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dont forget shoplifters detained by staff in stores, are recorded as being "solved by gardai"
 

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Let's also not forget that lots of citizens don't even bother calling the Gardaí as they know nothing will be done about their problem.

If it wasn't for insurance claim procedures the call out rate would be even lower.
 

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Let's also not forget that lots of citizens don't even bother calling the Gardaí as they know nothing will be done about their problem.

If it wasn't for insurance claim procedures the call out rate would be even lower.
My own experience with Gardái would lead me to hesitate before reporting a crime to them.
 

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A pretty damning report from the CSO today found that Gardaí didn't bother recording 16% of crimes reported in 2015.

Of those they did manage to record a significant proportion were reclassified as less serious than they actually were.

37% of crimes marked as detected did not have any charges or summonses attached ie they weren't detected.

Some crimes were not recorded until a week after they were reported and some of those were incorrectly classified and for others there was insufficient information to determine the correct classification.

Overall, 10% of reported crime in 2015 was solved by Gardaí. An "ng" grade in old money.

The Gardaí are in need of radical root and branch reform. It's difficult to see where the leadership required to implement that will come from.

A link to the RTE report attached.

CSO: Over 1 in 6 crimes not recorded by gardaí

If the Courts locked up the recidivist crimes for the correct amount of time, instead of handing out suspended sentences, the figures would be probably 1 in 2 crimes.
 

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There are unfortunately a lot of "crimes". People who report their phones stolen to get an insurance payout etc. Gardai know these aren't worth investigating, but also know proving fraud on behalf of the claimant is next to impossible.

That said, I agree that root and branch reform is needed. Given the circumstances of the current commissioner's appointment, it was an ideal chance to recruit from outside the country. If nothing else, we need to learn from police forces in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, because in both technology and procedures, the gardai are still living in the 1970s.
 

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Two major news stories today: Gardai looking for pay increases and this report demonstrating Garda incompetence on an epidemic scale.

That says a lot about our country.
 

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The fundamental problem of the Gardaí, Patronage.
 

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If the Courts locked up the recidivist crimes for the correct amount of time, instead of handing out suspended sentences, the figures would be probably 1 in 2 crimes.
That would be a part of it, but it's a very complex problem.

The underlying problem is that there needs to be much more effort put into Law Enforcement - And a lot more money.

It's just another symptom of a problem that's shaped Ireland since 1922 - the great mass of the population hate paying taxes - that's true everywhere, but in Ireland there's a religious fanaticism about it; witness the protests over Water Charges.
 

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There are unfortunately a lot of "crimes". People who report their phones stolen to get an insurance payout etc. Gardai know these aren't worth investigating, but also know proving fraud on behalf of the claimant is next to impossible.

That said, I agree that root and branch reform is needed. Given the circumstances of the current commissioner's appointment, it was an ideal chance to recruit from outside the country. If nothing else, we need to learn from police forces in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, because in both technology and procedures, the gardai are still living in the 1970s.
The principle of zero tolerance says solve the "minor" crimes to stop the major crimes. Today's phone or bike thief is tomorrow's violent burglar if he learns he can get away with crime.
 

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There are unfortunately a lot of "crimes". People who report their phones stolen to get an insurance payout etc. Gardai know these aren't worth investigating, but also know proving fraud on behalf of the claimant is next to impossible.
Gardaí shouldn't investigate the theft of hundreds if not thousands of Euro worth of goods if a member of the public makes a report of a stolen phone? Using their psychic powers they'll decide the report is a fake insurance claim?

Ideally the theft would be followed by an investigation. Not sweeping the problem under the rug as 'not worth investigating'.
 


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